Claims jurors "forced to share lifts" with defendants at Kingston Crown Court

Kingston Crown Court

Kingston Crown Court

First published in News Surrey Comet: Photograph of the Author by , Assistant Editor

Jurors in the Kingston Mosque attack trial were forced to share lifts with defendants at Kingston Crown Court while the case was being heard, it has been claimed.

The Surrey Comet understands that the lift that normally holds jurors was out of action during the trial, due to refurbishment work on the unreliable elevators.

A source at the court, who asked not to be named, said: “You have already seen jurors in serious trials being forced into the same lift as defendants to the third floor as their lift is broken.”

The court declined to comment on the claims saying that it was a breach of security policy.

Court manager, Sean O’Brien, said: “I cannot confirm what arrangements we have for jurors within the building. This would be a breach of Her Majesty’s Court and Tribunal Service security policy.”

Mr O’Brien said the 11 lifts in the 14-year-old building had become increasing unreliable but £500,000 funding had allowed a refurbishment.

The refurbishment follows a judge apologising to jury members after they spent 30 minutes trapped in a lift last July.

In another development at the court, digital recording equipment, which captures every second of court cases, has been introduced ending the tradition of court loggers, whose job in recent years was to record cases.

Lawyers and defendants have been warned the automatic system continuously records comings and goings in courtrooms, catching embarrassing or off-hand remarks made during breaks or lunchtimes.

The introduction of the digital Darts system at the end of March meant 17 court loggers, working for an outside company and running the old tape machines, have been left jobless.

Mr O’Brien said a back-up system was in place to avoid the risk of expensive break-downs, at a cost of £10k a day.

He said: “I feel personal sadness and do of course wish them well for the future and hope those that want it will be successful in gaining employment in the future.”

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7:55am Sat 14 Apr 12

admin@kingstoncrowncourt.com says...

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and the wheels having finally fallen off are extremely demoralising. Management are oft seen as scape-goats while attempting to juggle and fly helicopters concurrently.
Under the increasing budgetary constraints placed upon the judicial system the occasional pyrrhic victory to an individual court centre may slip occur. Comments regarding the http://www.surreycom et.co.uk/news/ukonst rike/9392815.Wheels_ of_justice_keep_turn ing_despite_striking _staff/ and the wheels having finally fallen off are extremely demoralising. Management are oft seen as scape-goats while attempting to juggle and fly helicopters concurrently. admin@kingstoncrowncourt.com
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6:30pm Mon 23 Apr 12

bigjohnp says...

As one of the loggers who lost their job as a result of the DARTS system throughout the 60 Crown Court System in England and Wales, I would like to pay tribute to all my colleagues at Kingston Crown Court.We all did a little bit more than just record - we helped Court staff by participating to make sure the Court ran smoothly such as answering phone calls when no Court staff were there and passing on messages from whoever when needed. This service will no longer be available as pressure will built on Court Clerks and Ushers as their jobs will be more pressurized Moreover when the system breaks down as it will then there is no back up so appeals will be jeopardized. Being employed by an outside agency meant filling in our own tax forms at £34.64p gross per day take off 20% and travelling expenses - we took home about
As one of the loggers who lost their job as a result of the DARTS system throughout the 60 Crown Court System in England and Wales, I would like to pay tribute to all my colleagues at Kingston Crown Court.We all did a little bit more than just record - we helped Court staff by participating to make sure the Court ran smoothly such as answering phone calls when no Court staff were there and passing on messages from whoever when needed. This service will no longer be available as pressure will built on Court Clerks and Ushers as their jobs will be more pressurized Moreover when the system breaks down as it will then there is no back up so appeals will be jeopardized. Being employed by an outside agency meant filling in our own tax forms at £34.64p gross per day take off 20% and travelling expenses - we took home about bigjohnp
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6:44pm Mon 23 Apr 12

bigjohnp says...

£25 per day.
How can a building only 14 years old be susceptible to lift breakdowns of such a crucial nature be allowed to happen?? Does this happen in the Houses of Parliament?? Surely Jurors in a lift with defendants is a matter for an immediate appeal??? an appalling situation, so where is that immediate question> accountability???? Who is responsible and why did this situation arise in a very important Crown Court. Serious questions need to be answered not brushed aside by juggling and helicopters. The 6 P's need to be implemented - Piror Planning Prevents Pee Poor Performance. Some one is resposible for this irresponsible
situation. Seems to me that there are too many chiefs and not enough indians!! the Indians are disappeating and the chiefs are retreating into their Wigwams!!!
£25 per day. How can a building only 14 years old be susceptible to lift breakdowns of such a crucial nature be allowed to happen?? Does this happen in the Houses of Parliament?? Surely Jurors in a lift with defendants is a matter for an immediate appeal??? an appalling situation, so where is that immediate question> accountability???? Who is responsible and why did this situation arise in a very important Crown Court. Serious questions need to be answered not brushed aside by juggling and helicopters. The 6 P's need to be implemented - Piror Planning Prevents Pee Poor Performance. Some one is resposible for this irresponsible situation. Seems to me that there are too many chiefs and not enough indians!! the Indians are disappeating and the chiefs are retreating into their Wigwams!!! bigjohnp
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6:47pm Mon 23 Apr 12

bigjohnp says...

£25 per day.
How can a building only 14 years old be susceptible to lift breakdowns of such a crucial nature be allowed to happen?? Does this happen in the Houses of Parliament?? Surely Jurors in a lift with defendants is a matter for an immediate appeal??? an appalling situation, so where is that immediate question> accountability???? Who is responsible and why did this situation arise in a very important Crown Court. Serious questions need to be answered not brushed aside by juggling and helicopters. The 6 P's need to be implemented - Piror Planning Prevents Pee Poor Performance. Some one is resposible for this irresponsible
situation. Seems to me that there are too many chiefs and not enough Indians!! the Indians are disappearing and the chiefs are retreating into their Wigwams!!! Get a grip Chiefs !!!!
£25 per day. How can a building only 14 years old be susceptible to lift breakdowns of such a crucial nature be allowed to happen?? Does this happen in the Houses of Parliament?? Surely Jurors in a lift with defendants is a matter for an immediate appeal??? an appalling situation, so where is that immediate question> accountability???? Who is responsible and why did this situation arise in a very important Crown Court. Serious questions need to be answered not brushed aside by juggling and helicopters. The 6 P's need to be implemented - Piror Planning Prevents Pee Poor Performance. Some one is resposible for this irresponsible situation. Seems to me that there are too many chiefs and not enough Indians!! the Indians are disappearing and the chiefs are retreating into their Wigwams!!! Get a grip Chiefs !!!! bigjohnp
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6:47pm Mon 23 Apr 12

bigjohnp says...

£25 per day.
How can a building only 14 years old be susceptible to lift breakdowns of such a crucial nature be allowed to happen?? Does this happen in the Houses of Parliament?? Surely Jurors in a lift with defendants is a matter for an immediate appeal??? an appalling situation, so where is that immediate question> accountability???? Who is responsible and why did this situation arise in a very important Crown Court. Serious questions need to be answered not brushed aside by juggling and helicopters. The 6 P's need to be implemented - Piror Planning Prevents Pee Poor Performance. Some one is resposible for this irresponsible
situation. Seems to me that there are too many chiefs and not enough Indians!! the Indians are disappearing and the chiefs are retreating into their Wigwams!!! Get a grip Chiefs !!!!
£25 per day. How can a building only 14 years old be susceptible to lift breakdowns of such a crucial nature be allowed to happen?? Does this happen in the Houses of Parliament?? Surely Jurors in a lift with defendants is a matter for an immediate appeal??? an appalling situation, so where is that immediate question> accountability???? Who is responsible and why did this situation arise in a very important Crown Court. Serious questions need to be answered not brushed aside by juggling and helicopters. The 6 P's need to be implemented - Piror Planning Prevents Pee Poor Performance. Some one is resposible for this irresponsible situation. Seems to me that there are too many chiefs and not enough Indians!! the Indians are disappearing and the chiefs are retreating into their Wigwams!!! Get a grip Chiefs !!!! bigjohnp
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6:48pm Mon 23 Apr 12

bigjohnp says...

£25 per day.
How can a building only 14 years old be susceptible to lift breakdowns of such a crucial nature be allowed to happen?? Does this happen in the Houses of Parliament?? Surely Jurors in a lift with defendants is a matter for an immediate appeal??? an appalling situation, so where is that immediate question> accountability???? Who is responsible and why did this situation arise in a very important Crown Court. Serious questions need to be answered not brushed aside by juggling and helicopters. The 6 P's need to be implemented - Piror Planning Prevents Pee Poor Performance. Some one is resposible for this irresponsible
situation. Seems to me that there are too many chiefs and not enough Indians!! the Indians are disappearing and the chiefs are retreating into their Wigwams!!! Get a grip Chiefs !!!!
£25 per day. How can a building only 14 years old be susceptible to lift breakdowns of such a crucial nature be allowed to happen?? Does this happen in the Houses of Parliament?? Surely Jurors in a lift with defendants is a matter for an immediate appeal??? an appalling situation, so where is that immediate question> accountability???? Who is responsible and why did this situation arise in a very important Crown Court. Serious questions need to be answered not brushed aside by juggling and helicopters. The 6 P's need to be implemented - Piror Planning Prevents Pee Poor Performance. Some one is resposible for this irresponsible situation. Seems to me that there are too many chiefs and not enough Indians!! the Indians are disappearing and the chiefs are retreating into their Wigwams!!! Get a grip Chiefs !!!! bigjohnp
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6:49pm Mon 23 Apr 12

bigjohnp says...

£25 per day.
How can a building only 14 years old be susceptible to lift breakdowns of such a crucial nature be allowed to happen?? Does this happen in the Houses of Parliament?? Surely Jurors in a lift with defendants is a matter for an immediate appeal??? an appalling situation, so where is that immediate question> accountability???? Who is responsible and why did this situation arise in a very important Crown Court. Serious questions need to be answered not brushed aside by juggling and helicopters. The 6 P's need to be implemented - Piror Planning Prevents Pee Poor Performance. Some one is resposible for this irresponsible
situation. Seems to me that there are too many chiefs and not enough Indians!! the Indians are disappearing and the chiefs are retreating into their Wigwams!!! Get a grip Chiefs !!!!
£25 per day. How can a building only 14 years old be susceptible to lift breakdowns of such a crucial nature be allowed to happen?? Does this happen in the Houses of Parliament?? Surely Jurors in a lift with defendants is a matter for an immediate appeal??? an appalling situation, so where is that immediate question> accountability???? Who is responsible and why did this situation arise in a very important Crown Court. Serious questions need to be answered not brushed aside by juggling and helicopters. The 6 P's need to be implemented - Piror Planning Prevents Pee Poor Performance. Some one is resposible for this irresponsible situation. Seems to me that there are too many chiefs and not enough Indians!! the Indians are disappearing and the chiefs are retreating into their Wigwams!!! Get a grip Chiefs !!!! bigjohnp
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6:50pm Mon 23 Apr 12

bigjohnp says...

£25 per day.
How can a building only 14 years old be susceptible to lift breakdowns of such a crucial nature be allowed to happen?? Does this happen in the Houses of Parliament?? Surely Jurors in a lift with defendants is a matter for an immediate appeal??? an appalling situation, so where is that immediate question> accountability???? Who is responsible and why did this situation arise in a very important Crown Court. Serious questions need to be answered not brushed aside by juggling and helicopters. The 6 P's need to be implemented - Piror Planning Prevents Pee Poor Performance. Some one is resposible for this irresponsible
situation. Seems to me that there are too many chiefs and not enough Indians!! the Indians are disappearing and the chiefs are retreating into their Wigwams!!! Get a grip Chiefs !!!!
£25 per day. How can a building only 14 years old be susceptible to lift breakdowns of such a crucial nature be allowed to happen?? Does this happen in the Houses of Parliament?? Surely Jurors in a lift with defendants is a matter for an immediate appeal??? an appalling situation, so where is that immediate question> accountability???? Who is responsible and why did this situation arise in a very important Crown Court. Serious questions need to be answered not brushed aside by juggling and helicopters. The 6 P's need to be implemented - Piror Planning Prevents Pee Poor Performance. Some one is resposible for this irresponsible situation. Seems to me that there are too many chiefs and not enough Indians!! the Indians are disappearing and the chiefs are retreating into their Wigwams!!! Get a grip Chiefs !!!! bigjohnp
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6:51pm Mon 23 Apr 12

bigjohnp says...

£25 per day.
How can a building only 14 years old be susceptible to lift breakdowns of such a crucial nature be allowed to happen?? Does this happen in the Houses of Parliament?? Surely Jurors in a lift with defendants is a matter for an immediate appeal??? an appalling situation, so where is that immediate question> accountability???? Who is responsible and why did this situation arise in a very important Crown Court. Serious questions need to be answered not brushed aside by juggling and helicopters. The 6 P's need to be implemented - Piror Planning Prevents Pee Poor Performance. Some one is resposible for this irresponsible
situation. Seems to me that there are too many chiefs and not enough Indians!! the Indians are disappearing and the chiefs are retreating into their Wigwams!!! Get a grip Chiefs !!!!
£25 per day. How can a building only 14 years old be susceptible to lift breakdowns of such a crucial nature be allowed to happen?? Does this happen in the Houses of Parliament?? Surely Jurors in a lift with defendants is a matter for an immediate appeal??? an appalling situation, so where is that immediate question> accountability???? Who is responsible and why did this situation arise in a very important Crown Court. Serious questions need to be answered not brushed aside by juggling and helicopters. The 6 P's need to be implemented - Piror Planning Prevents Pee Poor Performance. Some one is resposible for this irresponsible situation. Seems to me that there are too many chiefs and not enough Indians!! the Indians are disappearing and the chiefs are retreating into their Wigwams!!! Get a grip Chiefs !!!! bigjohnp
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7:10pm Mon 23 Apr 12

bigjohnp says...

Unfortunately due to the cutbacks this situation is going to affect all those services that are vital to our community - Care for the Elderly; Policing; the Health Service; Education; and the Justice System. Government needs to adjust their priorities and consider these cutbacks.
Unfortunately due to the cutbacks this situation is going to affect all those services that are vital to our community - Care for the Elderly; Policing; the Health Service; Education; and the Justice System. Government needs to adjust their priorities and consider these cutbacks. bigjohnp
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9:58am Tue 24 Apr 12

xnabca says...

I have to agree with Bigjohnp. KCC sets another legal precedent with intimate "trial by jury".
http://www.schneier.
com/ has some other interesting news on KCC. Remember, you saw it first in the Surrey Comet.
I have to agree with Bigjohnp. KCC sets another legal precedent with intimate "trial by jury". http://www.schneier. com/ has some other interesting news on KCC. Remember, you saw it first in the Surrey Comet. xnabca
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