Kingston Carnival 'victim of its own success', council chief exec says

Neville Staple's gig may still be on

Neville Staple's gig may still be on

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Kingston Council's chief executive has said the cancelled Kingston Carnival was "a victim of its own success" after the event was pulled over safety concerns.

The carnival, in its 15th year, was due to take place on Sunday, September 7.

A concert by headline act Neville Staple, formerly of The Specials, could still go ahead.

Council chief executive Bruce McDonald said in a statement: "We understand the disappointment that Kingston Carnival will not go ahead as originally planned.

"There were serious safety concerns about potential crowd numbers and public safety in the Ancient Market Place.

"In many ways Kingston Carnival is a victim of its own success.

"The event has grown in popularity, attracting more and more people into the town centre each year.

"The organisers of any public event have a duty to ensure the safety of everyone attending or using public space.

"The announcement of a high-profile headline act for the free event raised concerns about the potential numbers attending in the Market Place this year.

"In liaison with the police and other bodies the council has advised the organisers that the event cannot go ahead as planned.

"Everyone involved with Kingston Carnival has worked hard on developing an event management plan suitable for an event of this size.

"The groundwork already undertaken this year provides a good foundation for staging Kingston Carnival again in the future."

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8:31am Fri 8 Aug 14

Imigrante says...

It should be "victim of too much health and safety".
It should be "victim of too much health and safety". Imigrante
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12:09pm Fri 8 Aug 14

&anotherthing says...

What utter nonsense!! Check the risk plans for the Olympics in 2012 and then compare to the supposed issues with this event.......my guess is that crowding on the bridges will have been very dangerous but it went ahead without a hitch.
The Leader and the Chief Executive need to take a long hard look at whether they will be cancelling the cycling event this wkd if the above is really true! The market square is obviously just too dangerous for us residents to handle walking around in let alone dancing. Best let Santa know Christmas will be cancelled as the market will have to be left empty.
What utter nonsense!! Check the risk plans for the Olympics in 2012 and then compare to the supposed issues with this event.......my guess is that crowding on the bridges will have been very dangerous but it went ahead without a hitch. The Leader and the Chief Executive need to take a long hard look at whether they will be cancelling the cycling event this wkd if the above is really true! The market square is obviously just too dangerous for us residents to handle walking around in let alone dancing. Best let Santa know Christmas will be cancelled as the market will have to be left empty. &anotherthing
  • Score: 11

1:54pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Red_Rock says...

"Victim of its own success". Not a statement ever likely to be associated with the Chief Executive of Kingston Council is it?
"Victim of its own success". Not a statement ever likely to be associated with the Chief Executive of Kingston Council is it? Red_Rock
  • Score: 6

2:22pm Fri 8 Aug 14

acaldon says...

If the concern is the number of people then move the main stage to Fairfields where the May Merrie always used to be held. Plenty of space and outside the town centre. The Market Place could then continue to stage smaller events.

It does strike me that there wasn't much effort and/or someone was looking for an excuse to cancel.
If the concern is the number of people then move the main stage to Fairfields where the May Merrie always used to be held. Plenty of space and outside the town centre. The Market Place could then continue to stage smaller events. It does strike me that there wasn't much effort and/or someone was looking for an excuse to cancel. acaldon
  • Score: 9

6:55pm Fri 8 Aug 14

captain_shamrock says...

None of the excuses for cancelling the whole carnival stand up to serious scrutiny. There's clearly a hidden agenda at play as the alleged obstacles are not insurmountable.

Regardless of the real reason for cancellation, it doesn't *look* good for Kingston Conservatives - cancelling a long-running multi-cultural festival weeks after a Tory councillor's past links with the racist BNP were exposed.

Read more at this link: http://goo.gl/Q5BZ19


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None of the excuses for cancelling the whole carnival stand up to serious scrutiny. There's clearly a hidden agenda at play as the alleged obstacles are not insurmountable. Regardless of the real reason for cancellation, it doesn't *look* good for Kingston Conservatives - cancelling a long-running multi-cultural festival weeks after a Tory councillor's past links with the racist BNP were exposed. Read more at this link: http://goo.gl/Q5BZ19 . captain_shamrock
  • Score: 15

12:40pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Irish Lass says...

Am I missing something? Isn't it being cancelled because the organisers wouldn't pay for the policing?
Am I missing something? Isn't it being cancelled because the organisers wouldn't pay for the policing? Irish Lass
  • Score: -1

12:44pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Irish Lass says...

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12:45pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Irish Lass says...

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[quote][p][bold]Irish Lass[/bold] wrote: http://www.surreycom et.co.uk/news/113193 44.Street_festivals_ _threatened__by_new_ police_policy_as_Kin gston_carnival_races _to_find_extra___4_0 00_to_pay_for_securi ty/[/p][/quote]Street festivals 'threatened' by new police policy as Kingston carnival races to find extra £4,000 to pay for security Irish Lass
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1:27pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Irish Lass says...

Irish Lass wrote:
Am I missing something? Isn't it being cancelled because the organisers wouldn't pay for the policing?
wouldn't pay / or couldn't pay? Regardless, it's the policing costs which seem to be the very real issue and a genuine concern...and it is right that an event SHOULD cover its own costs, isn't it? There is a grant application process which is designed to help with activities that enrich the community - was this utilised?
Is this more a case of a star act being added TOO late in the day and the council being expected to foot the bill?
[quote][p][bold]Irish Lass[/bold] wrote: Am I missing something? Isn't it being cancelled because the organisers wouldn't pay for the policing?[/p][/quote]wouldn't pay / or couldn't pay? Regardless, it's the policing costs which seem to be the very real issue and a genuine concern...and it is right that an event SHOULD cover its own costs, isn't it? There is a grant application process which is designed to help with activities that enrich the community - was this utilised? Is this more a case of a star act being added TOO late in the day and the council being expected to foot the bill? Irish Lass
  • Score: -1

10:09am Tue 12 Aug 14

0753waterloo says...

Irish Lass wrote:
Irish Lass wrote: Am I missing something? Isn't it being cancelled because the organisers wouldn't pay for the policing?
wouldn't pay / or couldn't pay? Regardless, it's the policing costs which seem to be the very real issue and a genuine concern...and it is right that an event SHOULD cover its own costs, isn't it? There is a grant application process which is designed to help with activities that enrich the community - was this utilised? Is this more a case of a star act being added TOO late in the day and the council being expected to foot the bill?
I don't believe the cost of policing was an issue. And the star act was not added late in the day.

In fact the star act has played in Kingston a number of times in the recent past, with no problems.
[quote][p][bold]Irish Lass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Irish Lass[/bold] wrote: Am I missing something? Isn't it being cancelled because the organisers wouldn't pay for the policing?[/p][/quote]wouldn't pay / or couldn't pay? Regardless, it's the policing costs which seem to be the very real issue and a genuine concern...and it is right that an event SHOULD cover its own costs, isn't it? There is a grant application process which is designed to help with activities that enrich the community - was this utilised? Is this more a case of a star act being added TOO late in the day and the council being expected to foot the bill?[/p][/quote]I don't believe the cost of policing was an issue. And the star act was not added late in the day. In fact the star act has played in Kingston a number of times in the recent past, with no problems. 0753waterloo
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12:06am Fri 15 Aug 14

Irish Lass says...

0753waterloo wrote:
Irish Lass wrote:
Irish Lass wrote: Am I missing something? Isn't it being cancelled because the organisers wouldn't pay for the policing?
wouldn't pay / or couldn't pay? Regardless, it's the policing costs which seem to be the very real issue and a genuine concern...and it is right that an event SHOULD cover its own costs, isn't it? There is a grant application process which is designed to help with activities that enrich the community - was this utilised? Is this more a case of a star act being added TOO late in the day and the council being expected to foot the bill?
I don't believe the cost of policing was an issue. And the star act was not added late in the day.

In fact the star act has played in Kingston a number of times in the recent past, with no problems.
So the Surrey Comet article was misleading? And John Azah was misquoted? And everyone has to carry on speculating because no-one seems to know for sure who pulled the plug?
[quote][p][bold]0753waterloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Irish Lass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Irish Lass[/bold] wrote: Am I missing something? Isn't it being cancelled because the organisers wouldn't pay for the policing?[/p][/quote]wouldn't pay / or couldn't pay? Regardless, it's the policing costs which seem to be the very real issue and a genuine concern...and it is right that an event SHOULD cover its own costs, isn't it? There is a grant application process which is designed to help with activities that enrich the community - was this utilised? Is this more a case of a star act being added TOO late in the day and the council being expected to foot the bill?[/p][/quote]I don't believe the cost of policing was an issue. And the star act was not added late in the day. In fact the star act has played in Kingston a number of times in the recent past, with no problems.[/p][/quote]So the Surrey Comet article was misleading? And John Azah was misquoted? And everyone has to carry on speculating because no-one seems to know for sure who pulled the plug? Irish Lass
  • Score: 0

3:11pm Fri 15 Aug 14

0753waterloo says...

Irish Lass wrote:
0753waterloo wrote:
Irish Lass wrote:
Irish Lass wrote: Am I missing something? Isn't it being cancelled because the organisers wouldn't pay for the policing?
wouldn't pay / or couldn't pay? Regardless, it's the policing costs which seem to be the very real issue and a genuine concern...and it is right that an event SHOULD cover its own costs, isn't it? There is a grant application process which is designed to help with activities that enrich the community - was this utilised? Is this more a case of a star act being added TOO late in the day and the council being expected to foot the bill?
I don't believe the cost of policing was an issue. And the star act was not added late in the day. In fact the star act has played in Kingston a number of times in the recent past, with no problems.
So the Surrey Comet article was misleading? And John Azah was misquoted? And everyone has to carry on speculating because no-one seems to know for sure who pulled the plug?
The speculating could be stopped if the our elected representatives actually made an unequivocal statement, instead of hiding behind officers.

Notwithstanding, it is the Council who pulled plug.
[quote][p][bold]Irish Lass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]0753waterloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Irish Lass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Irish Lass[/bold] wrote: Am I missing something? Isn't it being cancelled because the organisers wouldn't pay for the policing?[/p][/quote]wouldn't pay / or couldn't pay? Regardless, it's the policing costs which seem to be the very real issue and a genuine concern...and it is right that an event SHOULD cover its own costs, isn't it? There is a grant application process which is designed to help with activities that enrich the community - was this utilised? Is this more a case of a star act being added TOO late in the day and the council being expected to foot the bill?[/p][/quote]I don't believe the cost of policing was an issue. And the star act was not added late in the day. In fact the star act has played in Kingston a number of times in the recent past, with no problems.[/p][/quote]So the Surrey Comet article was misleading? And John Azah was misquoted? And everyone has to carry on speculating because no-one seems to know for sure who pulled the plug?[/p][/quote]The speculating could be stopped if the our elected representatives actually made an unequivocal statement, instead of hiding behind officers. Notwithstanding, it is the Council who pulled plug. 0753waterloo
  • Score: 1

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