Kingston University academic suspended after 'trying to rally students against plans to close' School of Planning and Surveying

Kingston University's Penrhyn Road campus

Kingston University's Penrhyn Road campus

First published in News Surrey Comet: Photograph of the Author by , Senior reporter

A Kingston University academic has been suspended after 'trying to rally' students against plans to close her department.

Sources said today Dr Sarah Sayce, head of the School of Planning and Surveying, had been suspended after emailing students telling them the university had opened a consultation on the plans.

A Kingston University spokeswoman said: “The university is unable to comment on the employment status of individual members of staff.”

One student described Dr Sayce as “an extremely competent and informed academic”, and said she had written to “encourage us to fight for the decision and to save our school.”

Under the proposals 14 teaching jobs could be lost and 18 students could lose their places, after the university said planning courses could be closed due to poor recruitment figures.

Vice-chancellor Prof Julius Weinberg said on Friday: “The university will do everything it can to ensure these students can complete their studies, either on a similar alternative course at Kingston or at another university.”

Fresher Rachel Stanislaus, 18, a planning student, said last week she was shocked by the news.

She said: “What they have said is they will try and help us to find new places.

“It is not something you expect when you sign up to do a degree. You make life changes.”

Students on other courses would move to different areas of the university under the plans, subject to a 30-day consultation.

Could you be affected by the plans? Email the newsdesk on jon.sharman@london.newsquest.co.uk.

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2:26pm Wed 26 Feb 14

drhowardfredrics says...

The University has a LONG history of clamping down on any hint of dissent from management edicts. Irrespective of one's view on the decision to close the School, this action to suspend the Head of School is intended to intimidate staff into keeping quiet and meekly accepting decisions that will eliminate their jobs.
The University has a LONG history of clamping down on any hint of dissent from management edicts. Irrespective of one's view on the decision to close the School, this action to suspend the Head of School is intended to intimidate staff into keeping quiet and meekly accepting decisions that will eliminate their jobs. drhowardfredrics
  • Score: 10

9:18pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Derek_Osbourne says...

It would not surprise me if Dr Sayce is difficult to contact in the near future. Let me explain:

In 1933 a party came into power in Germany that was opposed to free speech and would not tolerate any opposition such as the universally accepted democratic right to free speech. The aforementioned German political party usually employed the tactic of taking dissenters into 'protective custody'. It appears our revered local university is tipping its hat to National Socialism and their methods of eliminating fair and legal opposition

The Universitity's spokes person is quoted as being unable to comment on the employment status of staff with respect to Dr Sayces circumastaces. Is this Public Relations code that Dr Sayce is alrady being held in some dank cellar in the bowels of Penrhyn road undergoing sleep deprivation and waterboarding because she had the audacity to question this ludicrous decision made by bean counters who know the cost of everything and the value of nothing

I appeal to students - do not stand by as the German citizens did in the 1930's to be later controlled and manipulated by an uncaring and barbaric regime. Fight for your rights, fightt for your lecturers' jobs but most of all fight for the ight for freedom of expression!
It would not surprise me if Dr Sayce is difficult to contact in the near future. Let me explain: In 1933 a party came into power in Germany that was opposed to free speech and would not tolerate any opposition such as the universally accepted democratic right to free speech. The aforementioned German political party usually employed the tactic of taking dissenters into 'protective custody'. It appears our revered local university is tipping its hat to National Socialism and their methods of eliminating fair and legal opposition The Universitity's spokes person is quoted as being unable to comment on the employment status of staff with respect to Dr Sayces circumastaces. Is this Public Relations code that Dr Sayce is alrady being held in some dank cellar in the bowels of Penrhyn road undergoing sleep deprivation and waterboarding because she had the audacity to question this ludicrous decision made by bean counters who know the cost of everything and the value of nothing I appeal to students - do not stand by as the German citizens did in the 1930's to be later controlled and manipulated by an uncaring and barbaric regime. Fight for your rights, fightt for your lecturers' jobs but most of all fight for the ight for freedom of expression! Derek_Osbourne
  • Score: 5

9:37pm Thu 27 Feb 14

robertbrickwood says...

As an ex student of this establishment - I take this opportunity to register my utter disgust with the attitude and actions of the University. Tempts me to do a John Lennon and return my fist class honours degree in engineering as a token of my utter rejection of their authoritarian actions. i am signing off with the intention of expunging the name of this disgraceful establishement from my CV. I fuly support the right of Dr Sayce to lobby her colleagues and students. What is the name of the Dean these days - Josef Stalin?
As an ex student of this establishment - I take this opportunity to register my utter disgust with the attitude and actions of the University. Tempts me to do a John Lennon and return my fist class honours degree in engineering as a token of my utter rejection of their authoritarian actions. i am signing off with the intention of expunging the name of this disgraceful establishement from my CV. I fuly support the right of Dr Sayce to lobby her colleagues and students. What is the name of the Dean these days - Josef Stalin? robertbrickwood
  • Score: 10

2:27am Fri 28 Feb 14

drhowardfredrics says...

robertbrickwood wrote:
As an ex student of this establishment - I take this opportunity to register my utter disgust with the attitude and actions of the University. Tempts me to do a John Lennon and return my fist class honours degree in engineering as a token of my utter rejection of their authoritarian actions. i am signing off with the intention of expunging the name of this disgraceful establishement from my CV. I fuly support the right of Dr Sayce to lobby her colleagues and students. What is the name of the Dean these days - Josef Stalin?
As I understand it, it was the Vice-Chancellor, Prof Weinberg, who ordered the suspension of Prof Sayce, not the Dean of the Faculty. I am open to correction on this point, but this is the information I have.
[quote][p][bold]robertbrickwood[/bold] wrote: As an ex student of this establishment - I take this opportunity to register my utter disgust with the attitude and actions of the University. Tempts me to do a John Lennon and return my fist class honours degree in engineering as a token of my utter rejection of their authoritarian actions. i am signing off with the intention of expunging the name of this disgraceful establishement from my CV. I fuly support the right of Dr Sayce to lobby her colleagues and students. What is the name of the Dean these days - Josef Stalin?[/p][/quote]As I understand it, it was the Vice-Chancellor, Prof Weinberg, who ordered the suspension of Prof Sayce, not the Dean of the Faculty. I am open to correction on this point, but this is the information I have. drhowardfredrics
  • Score: 7

7:38am Fri 28 Feb 14

robertbrickwood says...

So apparently a Professor Weinberg is orchestrating this campaign to silence any dissent. Can anyone confirm his involvement? Can anyone transcribe Dr Sayce's letter and post it on this site? Why are the students silent on this matter? Is it all happening on Facebook? Where is the support from fellow lecturers? It appears to me the politics of fear are dominating and everybody is too scared to voice their opinions. Initially I felt Derek-osbournes post was a bit extreme but given time to reflect, the university's behavior has a definite ssimilarity with NaziI tacics. what say you oberfuhrer Weinberg?
So apparently a Professor Weinberg is orchestrating this campaign to silence any dissent. Can anyone confirm his involvement? Can anyone transcribe Dr Sayce's letter and post it on this site? Why are the students silent on this matter? Is it all happening on Facebook? Where is the support from fellow lecturers? It appears to me the politics of fear are dominating and everybody is too scared to voice their opinions. Initially I felt Derek-osbournes post was a bit extreme but given time to reflect, the university's behavior has a definite ssimilarity with NaziI tacics. what say you oberfuhrer Weinberg? robertbrickwood
  • Score: 4

9:02am Sat 1 Mar 14

ladyhamilton says...

I find it very depressing that a whole department in our local university is being closed at the expense of lecturers jobs and disruption to students educational careers and no one seems to be actively questioning whether this is the right decision.

Apparently Doctor Sayce has been summarily suspended for trying to rally others to challenge the wisdom of the decision made by whoever. It appears to me that the university has made an executive decision and they are not prepared to even discuss the matter which seems to me to be an unnecessarily dictatorial approach. Their way of managing this situation has however silenced all dissent because none of the students or lecturers appear to be willing to openly support Dr Sayce. There has not been one post, I repeat not one, from a student or a lecturer on the site of the university’s local paper which I believe has now published 3 articles on this matter. Do they not care? I doubt it. It is very likely they have been frightened into silence by the brutal tactics adopted by the university.

I foresee this affair following a well trodden path. The Surrey Comet will announce in due course that Dr Sayce has launched a claim for unfair/constructive dismissal with the Employment Tribunal. This will be followed about 3 months later by an announcement in the Surry Comet that a settlement has been made out of court (with an unmentioned gagging clause). If this happens there are no winners only losers. The students lose any moral high ground in the matter because they could not be bothered to support Dr Sayce after her call to rally. The lecturers from the closed Planning and Surveying department have lost their jobs and their credibility because they were too spineless to answer their leaders call to fight the draconian university apparatus and oppose the closure of their department. Dr Sayce skulks off in silence with a wheelbarrow full of money but no self respect. Finally the university is the biggest loser because their mangers and administrators will move forward with the justified belief that bully boy tactics work very well. Accordingly their gaze will move onto the next department that is not attracting enough foreign student income or whatever their agenda is and the fear factor among staff and students manifests itself by total silence and no opposition whatsoever. Today it is the Department of Planning and Surveying, tomorrow it is the Department of ………..
I find it very depressing that a whole department in our local university is being closed at the expense of lecturers jobs and disruption to students educational careers and no one seems to be actively questioning whether this is the right decision. Apparently Doctor Sayce has been summarily suspended for trying to rally others to challenge the wisdom of the decision made by whoever. It appears to me that the university has made an executive decision and they are not prepared to even discuss the matter which seems to me to be an unnecessarily dictatorial approach. Their way of managing this situation has however silenced all dissent because none of the students or lecturers appear to be willing to openly support Dr Sayce. There has not been one post, I repeat not one, from a student or a lecturer on the site of the university’s local paper which I believe has now published 3 articles on this matter. Do they not care? I doubt it. It is very likely they have been frightened into silence by the brutal tactics adopted by the university. I foresee this affair following a well trodden path. The Surrey Comet will announce in due course that Dr Sayce has launched a claim for unfair/constructive dismissal with the Employment Tribunal. This will be followed about 3 months later by an announcement in the Surry Comet that a settlement has been made out of court (with an unmentioned gagging clause). If this happens there are no winners only losers. The students lose any moral high ground in the matter because they could not be bothered to support Dr Sayce after her call to rally. The lecturers from the closed Planning and Surveying department have lost their jobs and their credibility because they were too spineless to answer their leaders call to fight the draconian university apparatus and oppose the closure of their department. Dr Sayce skulks off in silence with a wheelbarrow full of money but no self respect. Finally the university is the biggest loser because their mangers and administrators will move forward with the justified belief that bully boy tactics work very well. Accordingly their gaze will move onto the next department that is not attracting enough foreign student income or whatever their agenda is and the fear factor among staff and students manifests itself by total silence and no opposition whatsoever. Today it is the Department of Planning and Surveying, tomorrow it is the Department of ……….. ladyhamilton
  • Score: 4

1:51pm Sat 1 Mar 14

drhowardfredrics says...

n.b. to read a more complete history of the pattern of bullying by the University from the level of staff in various departments all the way up to the board of governors, link to the satirical whistleblower website, http://www.sirpeters
cott.com.
n.b. to read a more complete history of the pattern of bullying by the University from the level of staff in various departments all the way up to the board of governors, link to the satirical whistleblower website, http://www.sirpeters cott.com. drhowardfredrics
  • Score: 1

8:19pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Derek_Osbourne_666 says...

Following the suspension and disappearance of Dr Sayce I have been researching Kingston University and report as follows:
One of my pals is a genealogist and he reckons there is a reasonable probability that Julius Weinberger, the chap who appears to be responsible for suspending Dr Sayce, is of Germanic descent. He blew my initial theory that Weinberger could be an undercover Nazi by stating if he was he would probably be approaching 90 years of age. My pal also reckons there is a reasonable chance with a name such as Weinberger, the holder is a Jew. After a fairly heated discussion we jointly reached the discussion that being a Jew and adopting Nazi tactics are not mutually exclusive, for proof one only has to look at the way the Government of Israel treats the Palestinians. I have also contacted some extreme right wing organisations such as the British National Party, the English Defence League and several neo Nazi and fascist organisations to find out if this Julius Weinberger is a member of their organisation. If I get a response I will post the results
I also took the opportunity whilst walking the dog yesterday to reconnoitre the university campus in Penrhyn Road and report as follows:
I did not find any jackbooted guards, barbed wire fences or other obvious means of detaining someone in ‘protective custody’. I listened carefully (it was early morning) for any sounds of people being ‘interrogated’ while in ‘protective custody ‘– I did not hear anything unusual. I did however spot a laundry vehicle making a delivery and after engaging the driver in some diversionary small talk I managed to peek in the back of the van can report there were no brown shirts or swastika armbands visible
In summary although Kingston University through Julius Weinberger (allegedly) have adopted Nazi tactics, there is no evidence (yet) they are Nazis or that they are active in Neo Nazi / fascist organisations. I was debating whether to report Dr Sayce’s ‘disappearance’ to the police but thought better of it. It is common knowledge that apart from the police force being infested with racists many of the police hold extreme right wing views and may be sympathetic and actually support the brutal way in which Dr Sayce is being treated. This set the old mental juices flowing – I wonder if Dr Sayce is being held in ‘protective custody’ in Kingston nick? I will stake out the station and report via a post in due course
Following the suspension and disappearance of Dr Sayce I have been researching Kingston University and report as follows: One of my pals is a genealogist and he reckons there is a reasonable probability that Julius Weinberger, the chap who appears to be responsible for suspending Dr Sayce, is of Germanic descent. He blew my initial theory that Weinberger could be an undercover Nazi by stating if he was he would probably be approaching 90 years of age. My pal also reckons there is a reasonable chance with a name such as Weinberger, the holder is a Jew. After a fairly heated discussion we jointly reached the discussion that being a Jew and adopting Nazi tactics are not mutually exclusive, for proof one only has to look at the way the Government of Israel treats the Palestinians. I have also contacted some extreme right wing organisations such as the British National Party, the English Defence League and several neo Nazi and fascist organisations to find out if this Julius Weinberger is a member of their organisation. If I get a response I will post the results I also took the opportunity whilst walking the dog yesterday to reconnoitre the university campus in Penrhyn Road and report as follows: I did not find any jackbooted guards, barbed wire fences or other obvious means of detaining someone in ‘protective custody’. I listened carefully (it was early morning) for any sounds of people being ‘interrogated’ while in ‘protective custody ‘– I did not hear anything unusual. I did however spot a laundry vehicle making a delivery and after engaging the driver in some diversionary small talk I managed to peek in the back of the van can report there were no brown shirts or swastika armbands visible In summary although Kingston University through Julius Weinberger (allegedly) have adopted Nazi tactics, there is no evidence (yet) they are Nazis or that they are active in Neo Nazi / fascist organisations. I was debating whether to report Dr Sayce’s ‘disappearance’ to the police but thought better of it. It is common knowledge that apart from the police force being infested with racists many of the police hold extreme right wing views and may be sympathetic and actually support the brutal way in which Dr Sayce is being treated. This set the old mental juices flowing – I wonder if Dr Sayce is being held in ‘protective custody’ in Kingston nick? I will stake out the station and report via a post in due course Derek_Osbourne_666
  • Score: -2

3:32am Sun 2 Mar 14

drhowardfredrics says...

Derek_Osbourne_666 wrote:
Following the suspension and disappearance of Dr Sayce I have been researching Kingston University and report as follows:
One of my pals is a genealogist and he reckons there is a reasonable probability that Julius Weinberger, the chap who appears to be responsible for suspending Dr Sayce, is of Germanic descent. He blew my initial theory that Weinberger could be an undercover Nazi by stating if he was he would probably be approaching 90 years of age. My pal also reckons there is a reasonable chance with a name such as Weinberger, the holder is a Jew. After a fairly heated discussion we jointly reached the discussion that being a Jew and adopting Nazi tactics are not mutually exclusive, for proof one only has to look at the way the Government of Israel treats the Palestinians. I have also contacted some extreme right wing organisations such as the British National Party, the English Defence League and several neo Nazi and fascist organisations to find out if this Julius Weinberger is a member of their organisation. If I get a response I will post the results
I also took the opportunity whilst walking the dog yesterday to reconnoitre the university campus in Penrhyn Road and report as follows:
I did not find any jackbooted guards, barbed wire fences or other obvious means of detaining someone in ‘protective custody’. I listened carefully (it was early morning) for any sounds of people being ‘interrogated’ while in ‘protective custody ‘– I did not hear anything unusual. I did however spot a laundry vehicle making a delivery and after engaging the driver in some diversionary small talk I managed to peek in the back of the van can report there were no brown shirts or swastika armbands visible
In summary although Kingston University through Julius Weinberger (allegedly) have adopted Nazi tactics, there is no evidence (yet) they are Nazis or that they are active in Neo Nazi / fascist organisations. I was debating whether to report Dr Sayce’s ‘disappearance’ to the police but thought better of it. It is common knowledge that apart from the police force being infested with racists many of the police hold extreme right wing views and may be sympathetic and actually support the brutal way in which Dr Sayce is being treated. This set the old mental juices flowing – I wonder if Dr Sayce is being held in ‘protective custody’ in Kingston nick? I will stake out the station and report via a post in due course
@Derrek - I can assure you that Julius Weinberg (not Weinberger) is not a Nazi or a member of any far-right organization. To compare his actions to Nazis or neo-Nazis is an insult to the memory of the millions of people killed by Nazis during WWII.

Yes, the University acts unconscionably, but they don't have a Nazi for a vice-chancellor.
[quote][p][bold]Derek_Osbourne_666[/bold] wrote: Following the suspension and disappearance of Dr Sayce I have been researching Kingston University and report as follows: One of my pals is a genealogist and he reckons there is a reasonable probability that Julius Weinberger, the chap who appears to be responsible for suspending Dr Sayce, is of Germanic descent. He blew my initial theory that Weinberger could be an undercover Nazi by stating if he was he would probably be approaching 90 years of age. My pal also reckons there is a reasonable chance with a name such as Weinberger, the holder is a Jew. After a fairly heated discussion we jointly reached the discussion that being a Jew and adopting Nazi tactics are not mutually exclusive, for proof one only has to look at the way the Government of Israel treats the Palestinians. I have also contacted some extreme right wing organisations such as the British National Party, the English Defence League and several neo Nazi and fascist organisations to find out if this Julius Weinberger is a member of their organisation. If I get a response I will post the results I also took the opportunity whilst walking the dog yesterday to reconnoitre the university campus in Penrhyn Road and report as follows: I did not find any jackbooted guards, barbed wire fences or other obvious means of detaining someone in ‘protective custody’. I listened carefully (it was early morning) for any sounds of people being ‘interrogated’ while in ‘protective custody ‘– I did not hear anything unusual. I did however spot a laundry vehicle making a delivery and after engaging the driver in some diversionary small talk I managed to peek in the back of the van can report there were no brown shirts or swastika armbands visible In summary although Kingston University through Julius Weinberger (allegedly) have adopted Nazi tactics, there is no evidence (yet) they are Nazis or that they are active in Neo Nazi / fascist organisations. I was debating whether to report Dr Sayce’s ‘disappearance’ to the police but thought better of it. It is common knowledge that apart from the police force being infested with racists many of the police hold extreme right wing views and may be sympathetic and actually support the brutal way in which Dr Sayce is being treated. This set the old mental juices flowing – I wonder if Dr Sayce is being held in ‘protective custody’ in Kingston nick? I will stake out the station and report via a post in due course[/p][/quote]@Derrek - I can assure you that Julius Weinberg (not Weinberger) is not a Nazi or a member of any far-right organization. To compare his actions to Nazis or neo-Nazis is an insult to the memory of the millions of people killed by Nazis during WWII. Yes, the University acts unconscionably, but they don't have a Nazi for a vice-chancellor. drhowardfredrics
  • Score: 0

6:12am Sun 2 Mar 14

robertbrickwood says...

drhowardfrederics. I believe you are missing the irony of derek_osborne's post. Of course Julius Weinberg is not a nazi and of course Julius Weinberg is not Josef Stalin. These extreme reference points have been made (the latter one by me) in reaction to the deliberate and swift silencing of Dr Sayce's protest against the closing of her department by the University i.e. Julius Weinberg. Any public criticisms of the dictatorships of Stalin or Hitler invariably led to the removal of the person who dared question any decision of these regimes. The comparisons we have made to these regimes are hyperbole to demonstrate the extreme and unacceptable behaviour of Julius Weinberg on behalf of the university. It is ridiculous to misconstrue this as an insult to the millions who died under these regimes - i feel you need to lighten up. I stand by my original post that i am disgusted by the authoritarian (dictatorial) behaviour of the university and almost as disgusted with the puscillaminous behaviour of the 18 students and 14 lecturers who dont have the courage to speak out on behalf of Dr Sayce following her summary suspension. I am ashamed to be a graduate of this establishment!
drhowardfrederics. I believe you are missing the irony of derek_osborne's post. Of course Julius Weinberg is not a nazi and of course Julius Weinberg is not Josef Stalin. These extreme reference points have been made (the latter one by me) in reaction to the deliberate and swift silencing of Dr Sayce's protest against the closing of her department by the University i.e. Julius Weinberg. Any public criticisms of the dictatorships of Stalin or Hitler invariably led to the removal of the person who dared question any decision of these regimes. The comparisons we have made to these regimes are hyperbole to demonstrate the extreme and unacceptable behaviour of Julius Weinberg on behalf of the university. It is ridiculous to misconstrue this as an insult to the millions who died under these regimes - i feel you need to lighten up. I stand by my original post that i am disgusted by the authoritarian (dictatorial) behaviour of the university and almost as disgusted with the puscillaminous behaviour of the 18 students and 14 lecturers who dont have the courage to speak out on behalf of Dr Sayce following her summary suspension. I am ashamed to be a graduate of this establishment! robertbrickwood
  • Score: 2

10:25am Sun 2 Mar 14

Derek_Osbourne_666 says...

Aha Dr Howard Frederics- we see through your double bluff joke of mock outrage by stating my nazi analogy is an insult to the memory of the millions etc. Ha ha - very funny - i for one got the joke

Your website homepage http://www.sirpeters
cott.com/ employs germanic and Nazi sybology directly linked to the university banning your site. The use of 'Achtung', 'verboten' etc and the picture of the sign are clear and intended death camp cross references. if your mock outrage is not a joke then perhaps you are suffering a paranoia attack about being prosecuted again by the university and therefore wish to disassociate yourself (despite your website homepage) from anyone branding the university/Julius Weinberg (er) as having adopted nazi tactics. You will note i have given you the benefit of the doubt and have not branded you a stinking hypocrite which will be my fall back position if you revert to your usual fall back position of pulling out the anti semite card. From what i can gather you took on the university and got your bottom spanked and lost your job and your credibility this side of the pond. Ziegheil Herr Frederics and as you yanks say 'have a nice day' while you are serving hambergers or whatever you now do.
Aha Dr Howard Frederics- we see through your double bluff joke of mock outrage by stating my nazi analogy is an insult to the memory of the millions etc. Ha ha - very funny - i for one got the joke Your website homepage http://www.sirpeters cott.com/ employs germanic and Nazi sybology directly linked to the university banning your site. The use of 'Achtung', 'verboten' etc and the picture of the sign are clear and intended death camp cross references. if your mock outrage is not a joke then perhaps you are suffering a paranoia attack about being prosecuted again by the university and therefore wish to disassociate yourself (despite your website homepage) from anyone branding the university/Julius Weinberg (er) as having adopted nazi tactics. You will note i have given you the benefit of the doubt and have not branded you a stinking hypocrite which will be my fall back position if you revert to your usual fall back position of pulling out the anti semite card. From what i can gather you took on the university and got your bottom spanked and lost your job and your credibility this side of the pond. Ziegheil Herr Frederics and as you yanks say 'have a nice day' while you are serving hambergers or whatever you now do. Derek_Osbourne_666
  • Score: 1

4:11pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Mr Chipps says...

The behaviour of the University is deeply troubling. Who sits on the University Council from the local Community? Is there a University Visitor? Why is the Leader of the Royal Borough of Kingston so silent on this threat to the reputation of an important Kingston asset? If this is how the University management behave over staff, courses and freedom of speech this surely calls into question the University's suitability as a partner in the development of Kingston's much needed secondary school?
The behaviour of the University is deeply troubling. Who sits on the University Council from the local Community? Is there a University Visitor? Why is the Leader of the Royal Borough of Kingston so silent on this threat to the reputation of an important Kingston asset? If this is how the University management behave over staff, courses and freedom of speech this surely calls into question the University's suitability as a partner in the development of Kingston's much needed secondary school? Mr Chipps
  • Score: 3

11:21pm Sun 2 Mar 14

OlBaloney says...

Derek_Osbourne wrote:
It would not surprise me if Dr Sayce is difficult to contact in the near future. Let me explain:

In 1933 a party came into power in Germany that was opposed to free speech and would not tolerate any opposition such as the universally accepted democratic right to free speech. The aforementioned German political party usually employed the tactic of taking dissenters into 'protective custody'. It appears our revered local university is tipping its hat to National Socialism and their methods of eliminating fair and legal opposition

The Universitity's spokes person is quoted as being unable to comment on the employment status of staff with respect to Dr Sayces circumastaces. Is this Public Relations code that Dr Sayce is alrady being held in some dank cellar in the bowels of Penrhyn road undergoing sleep deprivation and waterboarding because she had the audacity to question this ludicrous decision made by bean counters who know the cost of everything and the value of nothing

I appeal to students - do not stand by as the German citizens did in the 1930's to be later controlled and manipulated by an uncaring and barbaric regime. Fight for your rights, fightt for your lecturers' jobs but most of all fight for the ight for freedom of expression!
Are you the same Derek Osbourne, ex-LibDem leader of Kingston Council, currently held in in prison for absolutely disgusting crimes ?

https://twitter.com/
DailyMirror/status/3
95232201937145856

Apologies in advance if you are not that criminal.
[quote][p][bold]Derek_Osbourne[/bold] wrote: It would not surprise me if Dr Sayce is difficult to contact in the near future. Let me explain: In 1933 a party came into power in Germany that was opposed to free speech and would not tolerate any opposition such as the universally accepted democratic right to free speech. The aforementioned German political party usually employed the tactic of taking dissenters into 'protective custody'. It appears our revered local university is tipping its hat to National Socialism and their methods of eliminating fair and legal opposition The Universitity's spokes person is quoted as being unable to comment on the employment status of staff with respect to Dr Sayces circumastaces. Is this Public Relations code that Dr Sayce is alrady being held in some dank cellar in the bowels of Penrhyn road undergoing sleep deprivation and waterboarding because she had the audacity to question this ludicrous decision made by bean counters who know the cost of everything and the value of nothing I appeal to students - do not stand by as the German citizens did in the 1930's to be later controlled and manipulated by an uncaring and barbaric regime. Fight for your rights, fightt for your lecturers' jobs but most of all fight for the ight for freedom of expression![/p][/quote]Are you the same Derek Osbourne, ex-LibDem leader of Kingston Council, currently held in in prison for absolutely disgusting crimes ? https://twitter.com/ DailyMirror/status/3 95232201937145856 Apologies in advance if you are not that criminal. OlBaloney
  • Score: 1

5:38pm Mon 3 Mar 14

drhowardfredrics says...

Derek_Osbourne_666 wrote:
Aha Dr Howard Frederics- we see through your double bluff joke of mock outrage by stating my nazi analogy is an insult to the memory of the millions etc. Ha ha - very funny - i for one got the joke

Your website homepage http://www.sirpeters

cott.com/ employs germanic and Nazi sybology directly linked to the university banning your site. The use of 'Achtung', 'verboten' etc and the picture of the sign are clear and intended death camp cross references. if your mock outrage is not a joke then perhaps you are suffering a paranoia attack about being prosecuted again by the university and therefore wish to disassociate yourself (despite your website homepage) from anyone branding the university/Julius Weinberg (er) as having adopted nazi tactics. You will note i have given you the benefit of the doubt and have not branded you a stinking hypocrite which will be my fall back position if you revert to your usual fall back position of pulling out the anti semite card. From what i can gather you took on the university and got your bottom spanked and lost your job and your credibility this side of the pond. Ziegheil Herr Frederics and as you yanks say 'have a nice day' while you are serving hambergers or whatever you now do.
@Derek - To clarify, I distinguish the actions of Prof Weinberg from those of some members of University staff/management under the previous regime. Thus far, I've not seen Prof Weinberg engage in anti-Semitic actions, as did the previous administration and certain staff members. While troubling in terms of free speech issues, I've not yet seen a clear pattern of smugly dispensed abuses by the present administration. I *hope* that the recent actions (i.e. suspension of Prof Sayce) will be reversed, and that this latest action will not become a pattern.

Under the previous administration, staff made statements critical of the "Jewishness" of my musical compositions, which I found to be reminiscent of Nazi-era claims of "degenerate" art and music. The administration also employed the services of a fellow with apparently anti-Semitic views to investigate allegations against me, a Jewish staff member. And the Vice-Chancellor, himself, made statements in a letter to me that I found to contain anti-Semitic references. A number of Jewish staff members were forced out of their posts during this same period. All of this took place during a time when I witnessed and experienced actions by the University designed to silence all forms of criticism, including the issuing of an edict to staff to not access my website, and the expenditure of £500,000 of public money to silence one former lecturer, yours truly.

So, while my website does, with a degree of irony, make references to Nazi tactics of the University under it's prior administration, I am not yet prepared to ascribe such tactics to the present administration, though I am also mindful of the fact that they have not yet publicly distanced themselves from the actions of the prior administration.

Hope that clarifies my position vis a vis Nazi comparisons.

Also, I did, indeed, miss the intended irony in such comparisons in your comments. Apologies for any misunderstanding on my part.
[quote][p][bold]Derek_Osbourne_666[/bold] wrote: Aha Dr Howard Frederics- we see through your double bluff joke of mock outrage by stating my nazi analogy is an insult to the memory of the millions etc. Ha ha - very funny - i for one got the joke Your website homepage http://www.sirpeters cott.com/ employs germanic and Nazi sybology directly linked to the university banning your site. The use of 'Achtung', 'verboten' etc and the picture of the sign are clear and intended death camp cross references. if your mock outrage is not a joke then perhaps you are suffering a paranoia attack about being prosecuted again by the university and therefore wish to disassociate yourself (despite your website homepage) from anyone branding the university/Julius Weinberg (er) as having adopted nazi tactics. You will note i have given you the benefit of the doubt and have not branded you a stinking hypocrite which will be my fall back position if you revert to your usual fall back position of pulling out the anti semite card. From what i can gather you took on the university and got your bottom spanked and lost your job and your credibility this side of the pond. Ziegheil Herr Frederics and as you yanks say 'have a nice day' while you are serving hambergers or whatever you now do.[/p][/quote]@Derek - To clarify, I distinguish the actions of Prof Weinberg from those of some members of University staff/management under the previous regime. Thus far, I've not seen Prof Weinberg engage in anti-Semitic actions, as did the previous administration and certain staff members. While troubling in terms of free speech issues, I've not yet seen a clear pattern of smugly dispensed abuses by the present administration. I *hope* that the recent actions (i.e. suspension of Prof Sayce) will be reversed, and that this latest action will not become a pattern. Under the previous administration, staff made statements critical of the "Jewishness" of my musical compositions, which I found to be reminiscent of Nazi-era claims of "degenerate" art and music. The administration also employed the services of a fellow with apparently anti-Semitic views to investigate allegations against me, a Jewish staff member. And the Vice-Chancellor, himself, made statements in a letter to me that I found to contain anti-Semitic references. A number of Jewish staff members were forced out of their posts during this same period. All of this took place during a time when I witnessed and experienced actions by the University designed to silence all forms of criticism, including the issuing of an edict to staff to not access my website, and the expenditure of £500,000 of public money to silence one former lecturer, yours truly. So, while my website does, with a degree of irony, make references to Nazi tactics of the University under it's prior administration, I am not yet prepared to ascribe such tactics to the present administration, though I am also mindful of the fact that they have not yet publicly distanced themselves from the actions of the prior administration. Hope that clarifies my position vis a vis Nazi comparisons. Also, I did, indeed, miss the intended irony in such comparisons in your comments. Apologies for any misunderstanding on my part. drhowardfredrics
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