Beer thrown at mosque following Kingston protest march

UPDATE: Beer thrown at mosque following protest march

UPDATE: Beer thrown at mosque following protest march

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Masked men threw bottles of beer and urinated on a mosque following a march against Muslim extremism.

Bacon was also left on cars near Kingston Mosque during the attack by a group of 10-15 youths on Sunday.

Kingston Mosque claimed baseball bats were also used in the incident on East Road, but this was not confirmed by police.

However officers did recover two pieces of wood near the scene.

Police were called to the mosque at 1.15pm and arrested three white males, who have since been released on bail without charge.

Rizwan Khaliq, spokesman for the Kingston Muslim Association, said: "Under the pretence of protesting against extreme elements within the Islamic faith, a group of masked men congregated outside the mosque shouting obscenities at the mainly elderly congregation inside.

"They urinated against the mosque walls, threw beer-bottles, and used baseball bats to smash windows.

"It is a miracle that nobody was injured and only superficial damaged was caused.

"Such despicable actions have no place in our community and it is something that we must all unite against.

"All decent folk must come together and unite against the hate agenda – which has no place in our community."

Muslims are forbidden from eating pork by the Koran.

Earlier on in the day about 60 people holding Union Jacks and a large wooden poppy had chanted "Muslim bombers off our streets" as they marched through Kingston.

The protest had appeared to pass off peacefully and the crowd had dispersed from Clarence Street by 12.15pm.

Detective Chief Superintendent Martin Greenslade said police were investigating any link between the attack on the mosque and the march.

However Ben Baty, 20, of Sunbury, who organised the march, said: "I think it's disgusting. It's the kind of behaviour I thought my march would not attract. I wanted people from other communities to feel welcome.

"Even when people were shouting 'Muslim bombers off our streets' I was not happy but obvously people did not know how to express themselves.

"I'm saddened and shocked this happened because I thought the group there was very well behaved. Hopefully these people will be brought to justice."

Mr Baty said the march was against extreme Islam and poppy burning.

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10:16am Mon 22 Nov 10

peace for all says...

All of this is sad. I am a muslim. Those that burnt the poppies are allowed by the government to walk around freely and cause friction between normal law abiding musllims and non muslims. Then then extremist elements of EDL or whoever jump on the band wagon. We as peaceful memebers of society need to tell both sides NOT in our name.
All of this is sad. I am a muslim. Those that burnt the poppies are allowed by the government to walk around freely and cause friction between normal law abiding musllims and non muslims. Then then extremist elements of EDL or whoever jump on the band wagon. We as peaceful memebers of society need to tell both sides NOT in our name. peace for all
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10:36am Mon 22 Nov 10

Jamie Warden says...

I was at this march yesterday and it was extremely peaceful ! we was not being racist and we was not with these people who done that to the mosque. we as British citizens are trying to show that these extremists can not be allowed to get away with burning poppies and holding banners saying "British soldiers burn in hell" as its total disrespect to any soldier who has ever gave his/her life fighting for our wonderful country ! just because a minority of people do something stupid and totally unacceptable doesn't mean that the march should be to blame...Ben Baty deserves respect for having the balls to set this up despite our governments "don't upset the extremists" frame of mind these days. if we don't make a stand against them now then what will happen?
I was at this march yesterday and it was extremely peaceful ! we was not being racist and we was not with these people who done that to the mosque. we as British citizens are trying to show that these extremists can not be allowed to get away with burning poppies and holding banners saying "British soldiers burn in hell" as its total disrespect to any soldier who has ever gave his/her life fighting for our wonderful country ! just because a minority of people do something stupid and totally unacceptable doesn't mean that the march should be to blame...Ben Baty deserves respect for having the balls to set this up despite our governments "don't upset the extremists" frame of mind these days. if we don't make a stand against them now then what will happen? Jamie Warden
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10:58am Mon 22 Nov 10

TWChelsea says...

This is upsetting news for more than 95% of the people who were at the protest/march yesterday.

I'm very glad 'peace for all' is understanding that it's a minority and the march itself was for a good cause.

These people (who although are angrily reacting) have lowered themselves to dismal lows just as the extremist elements of the Muslim Community.

Minorities with extremist views yet again stop progression and attempt to ruin what was a good cause. Almost contradictory. But please, do not have the typical 'modern' reaction, see England flags, hear the actions of a minority and dismiss all of those involved as far-right lunatics. There were kids, elderly, women and just ordinary members of England's public there standing up for what 99% of the public agree with.
This is upsetting news for more than 95% of the people who were at the protest/march yesterday. I'm very glad 'peace for all' is understanding that it's a minority and the march itself was for a good cause. These people (who although are angrily reacting) have lowered themselves to dismal lows just as the extremist elements of the Muslim Community. Minorities with extremist views yet again stop progression and attempt to ruin what was a good cause. Almost contradictory. But please, do not have the typical 'modern' reaction, see England flags, hear the actions of a minority and dismiss all of those involved as far-right lunatics. There were kids, elderly, women and just ordinary members of England's public there standing up for what 99% of the public agree with. TWChelsea
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12:30pm Mon 22 Nov 10

kingstonexpat says...

Funny how when Muslim extremists display ugly behaviour, ALL Muslims are bad and are to blame. Yet when "a minority of people do something stupid and totally unacceptable" it "doesn't mean that the march should be to blame..." great double standard there! Biased much?

Not to mention MASKED men, urinating and breaking windows, throwing beer etc. So courageous, those men. And even more courageous, the "peaceful" protesters who didn't attempt to do anything to stop them.

If you're going to tar all Muslims with the same brush at least have the decency to try and control your own extremist factions. The organisers knew damned well what kind of people would be attracted to their march and should have planned accordingly. Hollow, empty and pathetic words now for Ben Baty to say "I'm shocked and saddened". Disgusting.
Funny how when Muslim extremists display ugly behaviour, ALL Muslims are bad and are to blame. Yet when "a minority of people do something stupid and totally unacceptable" it "doesn't mean that the march should be to blame..." great double standard there! Biased much? Not to mention MASKED men, urinating and breaking windows, throwing beer etc. So courageous, those men. And even more courageous, the "peaceful" protesters who didn't attempt to do anything to stop them. If you're going to tar all Muslims with the same brush at least have the decency to try and control your own extremist factions. The organisers knew damned well what kind of people would be attracted to their march and should have planned accordingly. Hollow, empty and pathetic words now for Ben Baty to say "I'm shocked and saddened". Disgusting. kingstonexpat
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12:49pm Mon 22 Nov 10

peace for all says...

TW chelsea. I appreciate your sentiments
Maybe worth then those who represent local muslim community sit down with those that organised march and see how we can all work together to have our views above exteme elements on both sides.
TW chelsea. I appreciate your sentiments Maybe worth then those who represent local muslim community sit down with those that organised march and see how we can all work together to have our views above exteme elements on both sides. peace for all
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12:53pm Mon 22 Nov 10

TWChelsea says...

kingstonexpat wrote:
Funny how when Muslim extremists display ugly behaviour, ALL Muslims are bad and are to blame. Yet when "a minority of people do something stupid and totally unacceptable" it "doesn't mean that the march should be to blame..." great double standard there! Biased much?

Not to mention MASKED men, urinating and breaking windows, throwing beer etc. So courageous, those men. And even more courageous, the "peaceful" protesters who didn't attempt to do anything to stop them.

If you're going to tar all Muslims with the same brush at least have the decency to try and control your own extremist factions. The organisers knew damned well what kind of people would be attracted to their march and should have planned accordingly. Hollow, empty and pathetic words now for Ben Baty to say "I'm shocked and saddened". Disgusting.
What an absolutely ridiculous comment.

No-one, anywhere, has said ALL Muslims are bad. Everyone agrees that general Muslims aren't to blame for the actions of the extremist minority, and those at the march are not to blame for the actions of the extremist minority who contradicted the protest against extremists by becoming extremists themselves.

Stop saying 'tar all Muslims with the same brush' etc... stop getting excited about political correctness and realise that no-one has said anything any where near that ridiculous.

So, a march shouldn't have happened and Ben's to blame for the actions of minority extremists who were unfortunately attracted to the protest. Yet, when a poppy is burned (and much worse actions are taken) you wouldn't make such a bold statement against a Muslim Leader or Muslims in general. Stop confusing things and letting media brainwashing get the better of you. For 95% of the people there yesterday it was for a very f**king good cause.

For someone who is very anti-prejudice, anti-stereotyping and against the whole presumptive idea. It was a very silly idea to end your hard-efforted comment with a hypocritical statement presuming that Ben Baty is just like one of them and his words were not meant.

Himself, myself, almost everyone involved were very upset by the actions. The aim was to show a bit of pride, to show that the extremist muslims' actions can not go on, and to show that 'normal' people are now willing to stand-up and show they've had enough, not just right-wing BNP followers.

"Hollow, empty, and pathetic words" now from kingstonexpat. They mean nothing, you hyped-up, over politically correct, hypocritical, media-blinded, fickle little geek.
[quote][p][bold]kingstonexpat[/bold] wrote: Funny how when Muslim extremists display ugly behaviour, ALL Muslims are bad and are to blame. Yet when "a minority of people do something stupid and totally unacceptable" it "doesn't mean that the march should be to blame..." great double standard there! Biased much? Not to mention MASKED men, urinating and breaking windows, throwing beer etc. So courageous, those men. And even more courageous, the "peaceful" protesters who didn't attempt to do anything to stop them. If you're going to tar all Muslims with the same brush at least have the decency to try and control your own extremist factions. The organisers knew damned well what kind of people would be attracted to their march and should have planned accordingly. Hollow, empty and pathetic words now for Ben Baty to say "I'm shocked and saddened". Disgusting.[/p][/quote]What an absolutely ridiculous comment. No-one, anywhere, has said ALL Muslims are bad. Everyone agrees that general Muslims aren't to blame for the actions of the extremist minority, and those at the march are not to blame for the actions of the extremist minority who contradicted the protest against extremists by becoming extremists themselves. Stop saying 'tar all Muslims with the same brush' etc... stop getting excited about political correctness and realise that no-one has said anything any where near that ridiculous. So, a march shouldn't have happened and Ben's to blame for the actions of minority extremists who were unfortunately attracted to the protest. Yet, when a poppy is burned (and much worse actions are taken) you wouldn't make such a bold statement against a Muslim Leader or Muslims in general. Stop confusing things and letting media brainwashing get the better of you. For 95% of the people there yesterday it was for a very f**king good cause. For someone who is very anti-prejudice, anti-stereotyping and against the whole presumptive idea. It was a very silly idea to end your hard-efforted comment with a hypocritical statement presuming that Ben Baty is just like one of them and his words were not meant. Himself, myself, almost everyone involved were very upset by the actions. The aim was to show a bit of pride, to show that the extremist muslims' actions can not go on, and to show that 'normal' people are now willing to stand-up and show they've had enough, not just right-wing BNP followers. "Hollow, empty, and pathetic words" now from kingstonexpat. They mean nothing, you hyped-up, over politically correct, hypocritical, media-blinded, fickle little geek. TWChelsea
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12:57pm Mon 22 Nov 10

TWChelsea says...

peace for all wrote:
TW chelsea. I appreciate your sentiments
Maybe worth then those who represent local muslim community sit down with those that organised march and see how we can all work together to have our views above exteme elements on both sides.
Thank you.

Myself and Ben Baty intended to go down to Kingston Mosque possibly today or this week at least to offer our apologies for what happened.

A sit-down and chat would be great, I don't know how we'd go about organising this?

Also, which day would be best to come down?
[quote][p][bold]peace for all[/bold] wrote: TW chelsea. I appreciate your sentiments Maybe worth then those who represent local muslim community sit down with those that organised march and see how we can all work together to have our views above exteme elements on both sides.[/p][/quote]Thank you. Myself and Ben Baty intended to go down to Kingston Mosque possibly today or this week at least to offer our apologies for what happened. A sit-down and chat would be great, I don't know how we'd go about organising this? Also, which day would be best to come down? TWChelsea
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1:00pm Mon 22 Nov 10

pointsec says...

I am very proud that my son, Ben Baty, a time served soldier, organized this peaceful protest, after witnessing muslim extreamists burning Poppys in London last weekend. My son has lost two of his very best soldier pals, who gave there lives serving our country, 20 year old lads. We do not have to put up with extreamism from anyone.
We have freedom due to our serving soldiers, and this was a mark of respect to our serving lads, past and present. I know first hand that this was not a racist thing, but a hear what we are saying thing. The Mosque that was attacked by a breakaway group was no way connected. Just the usual mob mentality group that get everywhere. Well done to Ben and all the others who support our great nation.
I am very proud that my son, Ben Baty, a time served soldier, organized this peaceful protest, after witnessing muslim extreamists burning Poppys in London last weekend. My son has lost two of his very best soldier pals, who gave there lives serving our country, 20 year old lads. We do not have to put up with extreamism from anyone. We have freedom due to our serving soldiers, and this was a mark of respect to our serving lads, past and present. I know first hand that this was not a racist thing, but a hear what we are saying thing. The Mosque that was attacked by a breakaway group was no way connected. Just the usual mob mentality group that get everywhere. Well done to Ben and all the others who support our great nation. pointsec
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1:35pm Mon 22 Nov 10

Stevo p says...

Mr Baty is the ultimate hypocrite. He says that "just because one person had an EDL flag doesn't mean today represented that".

Yet he is quite happy to accuse the individuals released from Guantanamo Bay of being "muslim bombers on our streets" even though these people have never been charged or found guilty of any offence.

Using his logic we can only assume that it was associated with the EDL, if there was an EDL flag then it was an EDL march.

What makes me really laugh is the use of the flag of St George at these demo's.

Do you lot know that the flag of St George is also used in the muslim world?

Did you know that St George is also a patron saint in the muslim world? He is a patron of both the muslim and christian worlds.


St George was born to a palestinian mother in what is today known as Turkey.

He is mentioned in the Qur’an as a close associate of Al Khadr and is seen as a Muslim martyr which is the ultimate irony. There were people at yesterday's demo complaining about "muslim bombers/martyrs" yet the same people were holding the flag of a muslim martyr, you could'nt make these levels of ignorance up.

So when these people denounce muslims they are also denouncing the patron saint who's flag they are holding as their symbol of unity and "British/Englishness
" whilst being totally oblivious to his role as a martyr in the muslim world.

Ironic, eh?
Mr Baty is the ultimate hypocrite. He says that "just because one person had an EDL flag doesn't mean today represented that". Yet he is quite happy to accuse the individuals released from Guantanamo Bay of being "muslim bombers on our streets" even though these people have never been charged or found guilty of any offence. Using his logic we can only assume that it was associated with the EDL, if there was an EDL flag then it was an EDL march. What makes me really laugh is the use of the flag of St George at these demo's. Do you lot know that the flag of St George is also used in the muslim world? Did you know that St George is also a patron saint in the muslim world? He is a patron of both the muslim and christian worlds. St George was born to a palestinian mother in what is today known as Turkey. He is mentioned in the Qur’an as a close associate of Al Khadr and is seen as a Muslim martyr which is the ultimate irony. There were people at yesterday's demo complaining about "muslim bombers/martyrs" yet the same people were holding the flag of a muslim martyr, you could'nt make these levels of ignorance up. So when these people denounce muslims they are also denouncing the patron saint who's flag they are holding as their symbol of unity and "British/Englishness " whilst being totally oblivious to his role as a martyr in the muslim world. Ironic, eh? Stevo p
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1:45pm Mon 22 Nov 10

peace for all says...

TW chelsea, if u want me to get u in contact with mosque representatives i could arrrange- what is best way to get hold of you - a number or email?

SMILING IS CHARITY

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Charity is prescribed for each descendant of Adam every day the sun rises." He was then asked: "From what do we give charity every day?" The Prophet answered: "The doors of goodness are many...enjoining good, forbidding evil, removing harm from the road, listening to the deaf, leading the blind, guiding one to the object of his need, hurrying with the strength of one's legs to one in sorrow who is asking for help, and supporting the feeble with the strength of one's arms--all of these are charity prescribed for you." He also said: "Your smile for your brother is charity." please lets all smile and work together
TW chelsea, if u want me to get u in contact with mosque representatives i could arrrange- what is best way to get hold of you - a number or email? SMILING IS CHARITY The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Charity is prescribed for each descendant of Adam every day the sun rises." He was then asked: "From what do we give charity every day?" The Prophet answered: "The doors of goodness are many...enjoining good, forbidding evil, removing harm from the road, listening to the deaf, leading the blind, guiding one to the object of his need, hurrying with the strength of one's legs to one in sorrow who is asking for help, and supporting the feeble with the strength of one's arms--all of these are charity prescribed for you." He also said: "Your smile for your brother is charity." please lets all smile and work together peace for all
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1:53pm Mon 22 Nov 10

discobadger88 says...

shame some of the comments on the papers website conflict as to what we actullay were trying to get across....

they burnt our poppies, we get angry, and we cant stand by and just whisper between ourselves anymore....

its not racsist and not to do with were they are from or anysort of crap like that...

if they dont like what the poppy stands for then get out of the country hundereds of heroes have died for.....

99.9% of the march were there because they have served in the british armed forces, they have lost someone close to them in the british armed forces or just feel very strongly about the whole poppy burning situation.

now its not the fault of the organisers (of whom i am one of) or of the majority of the march. and to turn round woth blatant disrespect and say we didnt stop them, well that is down right disgraceful.
we had no idea thay were going to do that.
so for all you out there to say, we are EDL, we are not, to say we said all muslims are bad, they are not, just a small minority are.
and to say 'muslim bombers off our streets' is stupid, then why dont you tell that to the people that survived the 7/7 bombings ON OUR F*****G STREETS.
shame some of the comments on the papers website conflict as to what we actullay were trying to get across.... they burnt our poppies, we get angry, and we cant stand by and just whisper between ourselves anymore.... its not racsist and not to do with were they are from or anysort of crap like that... if they dont like what the poppy stands for then get out of the country hundereds of heroes have died for..... 99.9% of the march were there because they have served in the british armed forces, they have lost someone close to them in the british armed forces or just feel very strongly about the whole poppy burning situation. now its not the fault of the organisers (of whom i am one of) or of the majority of the march. and to turn round woth blatant disrespect and say we didnt stop them, well that is down right disgraceful. we had no idea thay were going to do that. so for all you out there to say, we are EDL, we are not, to say we said all muslims are bad, they are not, just a small minority are. and to say 'muslim bombers off our streets' is stupid, then why dont you tell that to the people that survived the 7/7 bombings ON OUR F*****G STREETS. discobadger88
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2:09pm Mon 22 Nov 10

Jamie Warden says...

so because 1 person brings a flag that says EDL that makes it an EDL march? get a grip...
so because 1 person brings a flag that says EDL that makes it an EDL march? get a grip... Jamie Warden
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2:15pm Mon 22 Nov 10

Stevo p says...

Who said it was a EDL march Jamie?

No one as far as I can see.
Who said it was a EDL march Jamie? No one as far as I can see. Stevo p
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2:24pm Mon 22 Nov 10

luffyboy says...

where can i find the link for this video?
where can i find the link for this video? luffyboy
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2:35pm Mon 22 Nov 10

discobadger88 says...

Stevo p wrote:
Who said it was a EDL march Jamie? No one as far as I can see.
its all well and good being clever and looking into what the st georges cross means and other such stuff, but we were not there to dispute about the nations falg, we were there to stand up agaisnt the fact that these 'extreme muslims' burnt somthing that stands for the people that have fought and died for this country.. that is all, nothing more, nothing less, so all the people on here saying 'but st george was a muslim myrtr' blah bla it has nothing to do with what we wwere trying to get across, so leave the **** at the door thank you very much...
[quote][p][bold]Stevo p[/bold] wrote: Who said it was a EDL march Jamie? No one as far as I can see.[/p][/quote]its all well and good being clever and looking into what the st georges cross means and other such stuff, but we were not there to dispute about the nations falg, we were there to stand up agaisnt the fact that these 'extreme muslims' burnt somthing that stands for the people that have fought and died for this country.. that is all, nothing more, nothing less, so all the people on here saying 'but st george was a muslim myrtr' blah bla it has nothing to do with what we wwere trying to get across, so leave the **** at the door thank you very much... discobadger88
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2:37pm Mon 22 Nov 10

Ralph Baty says...

The link for You Tube video
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=0EKIZzRsI
z8&feature=player_em
bedded
Cheers
The link for You Tube video http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=0EKIZzRsI z8&feature=player_em bedded Cheers Ralph Baty
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3:01pm Mon 22 Nov 10

Stevo p says...

Oh dear discobadger. It's not about being clever it about having knowledge and using that knowledge well for the good of society.

It's very easy to pass off as being clever when you don't understand it or have no answer to it.

You are right a HANDFULL of "extreme muslims" burnt something that stand for the people of this country. And that was very wrong.

But yesterday a HANDFULL of extreme idiots urinated on a mosque.

So the question is will you be marching against the extreme idiots who urinated on the mosque??????

Or are "extreme muslims" your sole target?
Oh dear discobadger. It's not about being clever it about having knowledge and using that knowledge well for the good of society. It's very easy to pass off as being clever when you don't understand it or have no answer to it. You are right a HANDFULL of "extreme muslims" burnt something that stand for the people of this country. And that was very wrong. But yesterday a HANDFULL of extreme idiots urinated on a mosque. So the question is will you be marching against the extreme idiots who urinated on the mosque?????? Or are "extreme muslims" your sole target? Stevo p
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3:15pm Mon 22 Nov 10

Ralph Baty says...

I think the coments on here are getting away from the point, this was a march to stand up against the minority who burnt poppys In London weekend before last. The majority on the March were ex soldiers, families of soldiers, and others who feel the same way. If some others break away and pee on a mosque, speed in a car, or mug an old granny, nobody Is condoning that act, and I am sure nobody will feel strongly enough to set up another march to protest against these Individuals. The point has been made, and I am sure the point will be made over and over again, we support our soldiers. I support our soldiers. This Is another Help for Heroes senario. Wonder where this country would be without our soldiers?
I think the coments on here are getting away from the point, this was a march to stand up against the minority who burnt poppys In London weekend before last. The majority on the March were ex soldiers, families of soldiers, and others who feel the same way. If some others break away and pee on a mosque, speed in a car, or mug an old granny, nobody Is condoning that act, and I am sure nobody will feel strongly enough to set up another march to protest against these Individuals. The point has been made, and I am sure the point will be made over and over again, we support our soldiers. I support our soldiers. This Is another Help for Heroes senario. Wonder where this country would be without our soldiers? Ralph Baty
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3:38pm Mon 22 Nov 10

Flaxen says...

I feel sorry for the genuine people who had their march invaded by the EDL wannabe scum.

Stop the EDL

http://action.hopeno
thate.org.uk/page/s/
StoptheEDL
I feel sorry for the genuine people who had their march invaded by the EDL wannabe scum. Stop the EDL http://action.hopeno thate.org.uk/page/s/ StoptheEDL Flaxen
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8:48pm Mon 22 Nov 10

Beverly RA says...

There is a ticking clock that one day may bring more misery to the peaceful residents of this Nation than they have ever known,the lid is at the moment tight, but the pressure is slowly building up, of that there can be no doubt, lets hope common sense prevails before its to late.
There is a ticking clock that one day may bring more misery to the peaceful residents of this Nation than they have ever known,the lid is at the moment tight, but the pressure is slowly building up, of that there can be no doubt, lets hope common sense prevails before its to late. Beverly RA
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9:43pm Mon 22 Nov 10

TWChelsea says...

Stevo p wrote:
Oh dear discobadger. It's not about being clever it about having knowledge and using that knowledge well for the good of society.

It's very easy to pass off as being clever when you don't understand it or have no answer to it.

You are right a HANDFULL of "extreme muslims" burnt something that stand for the people of this country. And that was very wrong.

But yesterday a HANDFULL of extreme idiots urinated on a mosque.

So the question is will you be marching against the extreme idiots who urinated on the mosque??????

Or are "extreme muslims" your sole target?
Extremists are our 'target' and poppy burning was the specific action that resulted in the protest.

Realise that everyone who has posted is understanding that it's a minority and everyone here condemns the actions of the few idiots who fought fire with fire.

Your pointless St.George's facts made you look silly. Nice Wikipedia research. Cheers for the useless christmas cracker info that had nothing to do with anything.

A growing problem is Muslim Extremists, there's no point pretending it doesn't exist, even the Muslim Community recognises this. They hate it possibly more, as the Extremists use the peaceful religion of Islam as a reason to vent hate against the country which most of them hail from. Those people are terrible, and that is why the focus is Muslim Extremists. It's a shame they have to even be called Muslim Extremists but it's the banner they run under.

Everyone agrees that the people who smashed the mosque contradicted themselves. It was a typical mob mentality probably a handful of leaders and a few easily lead people (as is always the case).

Please check out the facebook group, and see for yourself the general views.
[quote][p][bold]Stevo p[/bold] wrote: Oh dear discobadger. It's not about being clever it about having knowledge and using that knowledge well for the good of society. It's very easy to pass off as being clever when you don't understand it or have no answer to it. You are right a HANDFULL of "extreme muslims" burnt something that stand for the people of this country. And that was very wrong. But yesterday a HANDFULL of extreme idiots urinated on a mosque. So the question is will you be marching against the extreme idiots who urinated on the mosque?????? Or are "extreme muslims" your sole target?[/p][/quote]Extremists are our 'target' and poppy burning was the specific action that resulted in the protest. Realise that everyone who has posted is understanding that it's a minority and everyone here condemns the actions of the few idiots who fought fire with fire. Your pointless St.George's facts made you look silly. Nice Wikipedia research. Cheers for the useless christmas cracker info that had nothing to do with anything. A growing problem is Muslim Extremists, there's no point pretending it doesn't exist, even the Muslim Community recognises this. They hate it possibly more, as the Extremists use the peaceful religion of Islam as a reason to vent hate against the country which most of them hail from. Those people are terrible, and that is why the focus is Muslim Extremists. It's a shame they have to even be called Muslim Extremists but it's the banner they run under. Everyone agrees that the people who smashed the mosque contradicted themselves. It was a typical mob mentality probably a handful of leaders and a few easily lead people (as is always the case). Please check out the facebook group, and see for yourself the general views. TWChelsea
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9:46pm Mon 22 Nov 10

TWChelsea says...

peace for all wrote:
TW chelsea, if u want me to get u in contact with mosque representatives i could arrrange- what is best way to get hold of you - a number or email?

SMILING IS CHARITY

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Charity is prescribed for each descendant of Adam every day the sun rises." He was then asked: "From what do we give charity every day?" The Prophet answered: "The doors of goodness are many...enjoining good, forbidding evil, removing harm from the road, listening to the deaf, leading the blind, guiding one to the object of his need, hurrying with the strength of one's legs to one in sorrow who is asking for help, and supporting the feeble with the strength of one's arms--all of these are charity prescribed for you." He also said: "Your smile for your brother is charity." please lets all smile and work together
Yeah I'd very much like that. Erm either would be fine but I'd rather not my number on here, so email me at kurtisbell127@hotmai
l.com, Cheers!
[quote][p][bold]peace for all[/bold] wrote: TW chelsea, if u want me to get u in contact with mosque representatives i could arrrange- what is best way to get hold of you - a number or email? SMILING IS CHARITY The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Charity is prescribed for each descendant of Adam every day the sun rises." He was then asked: "From what do we give charity every day?" The Prophet answered: "The doors of goodness are many...enjoining good, forbidding evil, removing harm from the road, listening to the deaf, leading the blind, guiding one to the object of his need, hurrying with the strength of one's legs to one in sorrow who is asking for help, and supporting the feeble with the strength of one's arms--all of these are charity prescribed for you." He also said: "Your smile for your brother is charity." please lets all smile and work together[/p][/quote]Yeah I'd very much like that. Erm either would be fine but I'd rather not my number on here, so email me at kurtisbell127@hotmai l.com, Cheers! TWChelsea
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11:51pm Mon 22 Nov 10

Malcolm Armsteen says...

Baty and your thicko pals - you're not marching in my name, or that of any decent English person, including the Muslim ones, and certainly not ex-servicemen. That's why the Poppy Fund rejects all use of the poppy in propaganda like yours and the BNP's

Whatever happened to decent, tolerant England - YOU DID.
Baty and your thicko pals - you're not marching in my name, or that of any decent English person, including the Muslim ones, and certainly not ex-servicemen. That's why the Poppy Fund rejects all use of the poppy in propaganda like yours and the BNP's Whatever happened to decent, tolerant England - YOU DID. Malcolm Armsteen
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3:31am Tue 23 Nov 10

Ben Baty says...

Hello Malcolm Armsteen.

I whole heartily understand your comment about using the Poppy as Propaganda. Unfortunately due to the appalling acts of Poppy Burning a group of people wanted to show there National Pride by displaying it. Two of my very close friends died in Afghanistan and they were my main reason for starting this peaceful and Non-Violent protest. I resent the notion that you at ALL associate me the BNP. In my time in the British Army I served with people from all different backgrounds including African and MUSLIM. I have the support of every Ex-Serviceman and Women I have spoken to from my Old Regiment. I will quote you saying "Baty and your thicko pals-you're not marching in my name" Well I for one I very glad I am not marching in your name. Who are you to assume anything about me or the people I am associated with?? If you actually took the time to do a brief background check before you started your pointless rant you would have found conclusive evidence that I am An Ex=Serviceman and on our march we were supported by other Ex-Service people. The people that supported our march were far from Neo-Nazi Skinhead thugs. There were Old people, young people, Men, Women and Children. The only diversity we lacked was people from other communities. I made it perfectly clear that they were more than welcome but it was there choice not to come. To conclude in my next march "Baty and his thicko pals" will be joined by currently serving Servicmen. Along with people from the Proud British Black Communities, Asian and Disabled. This march was just a test. To see if people are as passionate about this country as I am. And guess what Malcolm Armsteen and all you other people who think I am a "thicko" my support is growing hugely by the second. I would also like to add that I had no part to play and I really am deeply sadden by what happened at the Mosque. I have already been quoted saying this and I was not lying. Also although I agree with some of the EDL's Policies I am not a part of EDL and I do not condone unnecessary violence.

To that end like I have said all along. I said it to the Police, The Papers and everyone I spoke to at the March I AM AGAINST EXTREME ISLAM and POPPY BURNING!!!!

Now if someone could please find me a valid reason why I can't show my National Pride and Show my friends who gave there lives fighting for our country that people still care. Honestly I am all ears because I know me and 99% of the people with me did nothing wrong. But like in the Muslim community the MINORITY try and ruin it for everyone.

I am ENGLISH and Very PROUD, I am an Ex-Serviceman and A proud Father.

Last Time I checked that wasn't a crime!!!!!!

Regards Ben Baty

Leader Of The ANTI EXTREME ISLAM MARCH KINGSTON 2010
Hello Malcolm Armsteen. I whole heartily understand your comment about using the Poppy as Propaganda. Unfortunately due to the appalling acts of Poppy Burning a group of people wanted to show there National Pride by displaying it. Two of my very close friends died in Afghanistan and they were my main reason for starting this peaceful and Non-Violent protest. I resent the notion that you at ALL associate me the BNP. In my time in the British Army I served with people from all different backgrounds including African and MUSLIM. I have the support of every Ex-Serviceman and Women I have spoken to from my Old Regiment. I will quote you saying "Baty and your thicko pals-you're not marching in my name" Well I for one I very glad I am not marching in your name. Who are you to assume anything about me or the people I am associated with?? If you actually took the time to do a brief background check before you started your pointless rant you would have found conclusive evidence that I am An Ex=Serviceman and on our march we were supported by other Ex-Service people. The people that supported our march were far from Neo-Nazi Skinhead thugs. There were Old people, young people, Men, Women and Children. The only diversity we lacked was people from other communities. I made it perfectly clear that they were more than welcome but it was there choice not to come. To conclude in my next march "Baty and his thicko pals" will be joined by currently serving Servicmen. Along with people from the Proud British Black Communities, Asian and Disabled. This march was just a test. To see if people are as passionate about this country as I am. And guess what Malcolm Armsteen and all you other people who think I am a "thicko" my support is growing hugely by the second. I would also like to add that I had no part to play and I really am deeply sadden by what happened at the Mosque. I have already been quoted saying this and I was not lying. Also although I agree with some of the EDL's Policies I am not a part of EDL and I do not condone unnecessary violence. To that end like I have said all along. I said it to the Police, The Papers and everyone I spoke to at the March I AM AGAINST EXTREME ISLAM and POPPY BURNING!!!! Now if someone could please find me a valid reason why I can't show my National Pride and Show my friends who gave there lives fighting for our country that people still care. Honestly I am all ears because I know me and 99% of the people with me did nothing wrong. But like in the Muslim community the MINORITY try and ruin it for everyone. I am ENGLISH and Very PROUD, I am an Ex-Serviceman and A proud Father. Last Time I checked that wasn't a crime!!!!!! Regards Ben Baty Leader Of The ANTI EXTREME ISLAM MARCH KINGSTON 2010 Ben Baty
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8:40am Tue 23 Nov 10

New Malden Man says...

Just a general observation, but you can tell by the language and grammar used by some of the people commentating on hear that we're not dealing with the sharpest tools in the box.
Just a general observation, but you can tell by the language and grammar used by some of the people commentating on hear that we're not dealing with the sharpest tools in the box. New Malden Man
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10:13am Tue 23 Nov 10

Ben Baty says...

New Malden Man wrote:
Just a general observation, but you can tell by the language and grammar used by some of the people commentating on hear that we're not dealing with the sharpest tools in the box.
Well said New Malden Man!!!!!! If only We could have all been Privately Educated at Tiffin School http://www.tiffin.ki
ngston.sch.uk/

This subject would now be such a hot spot for a intellectual debate!!!!

Why don't you get off your high horse and instead of having ago at how certain things are written and maybe not choosing the correct "language" always just read what people have said properly. If you read everything I and certainly that of people who support my views you would notice that although written by likes who clearly must be "normally" educated to a basic level it is quite well written and is written with Passion.

Although I may not be the "sharpest tool in the box" please do not think I am an unqualified, uneducated fool. Maybe I have not had the same Opportunities as you have but I will try and "Sharpen" up my common language in future.

Please New Malden man feel free to correct anything we say and make sure you have spell checker there waiting for that spelling mistake you know is coming. I can sleep safer at night knowing your're there to help show us how the English Language should truly be written. Well Done Good Sir!!!!!

Maybe join me on the next march New Malden man and actually engage in a conversation with some of these people that you would love to associate with being thick. I think you will be very surprised.

I can even tie my own shoelaces, drive my self to work and guess what mate I cook my own Dinner as well!!!

Regards Ben Baty Working Class Lad

Organiser of the ANTI EXTREME ISLAM MARCH KINGSTON 2010
[quote][p][bold]New Malden Man[/bold] wrote: Just a general observation, but you can tell by the language and grammar used by some of the people commentating on hear that we're not dealing with the sharpest tools in the box.[/p][/quote]Well said New Malden Man!!!!!! If only We could have all been Privately Educated at Tiffin School http://www.tiffin.ki ngston.sch.uk/ This subject would now be such a hot spot for a intellectual debate!!!! Why don't you get off your high horse and instead of having ago at how certain things are written and maybe not choosing the correct "language" always just read what people have said properly. If you read everything I and certainly that of people who support my views you would notice that although written by likes who clearly must be "normally" educated to a basic level it is quite well written and is written with Passion. Although I may not be the "sharpest tool in the box" please do not think I am an unqualified, uneducated fool. Maybe I have not had the same Opportunities as you have but I will try and "Sharpen" up my common language in future. Please New Malden man feel free to correct anything we say and make sure you have spell checker there waiting for that spelling mistake you know is coming. I can sleep safer at night knowing your're there to help show us how the English Language should truly be written. Well Done Good Sir!!!!! Maybe join me on the next march New Malden man and actually engage in a conversation with some of these people that you would love to associate with being thick. I think you will be very surprised. I can even tie my own shoelaces, drive my self to work and guess what mate I cook my own Dinner as well!!! Regards Ben Baty Working Class Lad Organiser of the ANTI EXTREME ISLAM MARCH KINGSTON 2010 Ben Baty
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10:39am Tue 23 Nov 10

TWChelsea says...

I'd love to see a reply from either of the last two posters who Ben Baty addressed. You both really got made to look quite silly. Get off your high horses and realise that the only people who've done stuff wrong is the extremists, ON BOTH SIDES.
I'd love to see a reply from either of the last two posters who Ben Baty addressed. You both really got made to look quite silly. Get off your high horses and realise that the only people who've done stuff wrong is the extremists, ON BOTH SIDES. TWChelsea
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1:30pm Tue 23 Nov 10

peace for all says...

ok TW chelsea i will email asap to discuss meeting soon
thanks
Peace
ok TW chelsea i will email asap to discuss meeting soon thanks Peace peace for all
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2:36pm Tue 23 Nov 10

Soggy of Surbiton says...

Absolute racist, ignorant scumbags, both on the 'march' and in the above comments. Not just a disgrace to the borough and the country but to humans in general.

At least we can rest assured that the EDL is a marginalised group that is quite rightly regarded as a mix of morons, nutters and thugs. They are too stupid to be a real threat to anyone. A quick glance at their Facebook page proves that.

Also, I 100% agree with New Malden Man. Almost without exception the spelling and grammar of these bigots is diabolical whenever you come across their rants online. And why so many exclamation marks and incorrectly used upper case?

How is anyone meant to take anything you say seriously if you can barely string a sentence together?
Absolute racist, ignorant scumbags, both on the 'march' and in the above comments. Not just a disgrace to the borough and the country but to humans in general. At least we can rest assured that the EDL is a marginalised group that is quite rightly regarded as a mix of morons, nutters and thugs. They are too stupid to be a real threat to anyone. A quick glance at their Facebook page proves that. Also, I 100% agree with New Malden Man. Almost without exception the spelling and grammar of these bigots is diabolical whenever you come across their rants online. And why so many exclamation marks and incorrectly used upper case? How is anyone meant to take anything you say seriously if you can barely string a sentence together? Soggy of Surbiton
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3:53pm Tue 23 Nov 10

TWChelsea says...

Soggy of Surbiton wrote:
Absolute racist, ignorant scumbags, both on the 'march' and in the above comments. Not just a disgrace to the borough and the country but to humans in general.

At least we can rest assured that the EDL is a marginalised group that is quite rightly regarded as a mix of morons, nutters and thugs. They are too stupid to be a real threat to anyone. A quick glance at their Facebook page proves that.

Also, I 100% agree with New Malden Man. Almost without exception the spelling and grammar of these bigots is diabolical whenever you come across their rants online. And why so many exclamation marks and incorrectly used upper case?

How is anyone meant to take anything you say seriously if you can barely string a sentence together?
Show me one sample of racism or ignorance on the march itself or in the above comments? "Muslim Bombers off our Streets" is the closest thing you'll see to ignorance, but in reality, it's a fair cry?

The march was not EDL. Also, the irony of you saying 'a quick glance at their facebook page' proves they're idiots etc. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

Yeah, grammar and spelling is really what's important on the grand scale of things. Don't be put off by spelling errors and wrongly structured sentences, just read what's actually written and realise it isn't a crime for people to not be at the same intellectual levels as your oh so mighty self.

EVERY one of the idiots who've commented with cries of racism, replies have proved them to be invalid and they disappear back behind their keyboard and probably on to another forum to vent their political correctness.

If you solely insulted those who attacked the mosque, I would support your insults, as would every last person here who's posted. Please note how myself and the organiser of this march intend to meet representatives from Kingston Mosque tomorrow to attempt to demonstrate that we're all on the same page united against Extremists from ALL SIDES.

You, in contrary, are a highly ignorant individual. Attempt to reply, please.
[quote][p][bold]Soggy of Surbiton[/bold] wrote: Absolute racist, ignorant scumbags, both on the 'march' and in the above comments. Not just a disgrace to the borough and the country but to humans in general. At least we can rest assured that the EDL is a marginalised group that is quite rightly regarded as a mix of morons, nutters and thugs. They are too stupid to be a real threat to anyone. A quick glance at their Facebook page proves that. Also, I 100% agree with New Malden Man. Almost without exception the spelling and grammar of these bigots is diabolical whenever you come across their rants online. And why so many exclamation marks and incorrectly used upper case? How is anyone meant to take anything you say seriously if you can barely string a sentence together?[/p][/quote]Show me one sample of racism or ignorance on the march itself or in the above comments? "Muslim Bombers off our Streets" is the closest thing you'll see to ignorance, but in reality, it's a fair cry? The march was not EDL. Also, the irony of you saying 'a quick glance at their facebook page' proves they're idiots etc. Hypocrisy at it's finest. Yeah, grammar and spelling is really what's important on the grand scale of things. Don't be put off by spelling errors and wrongly structured sentences, just read what's actually written and realise it isn't a crime for people to not be at the same intellectual levels as your oh so mighty self. EVERY one of the idiots who've commented with cries of racism, replies have proved them to be invalid and they disappear back behind their keyboard and probably on to another forum to vent their political correctness. If you solely insulted those who attacked the mosque, I would support your insults, as would every last person here who's posted. Please note how myself and the organiser of this march intend to meet representatives from Kingston Mosque tomorrow to attempt to demonstrate that we're all on the same page united against Extremists from ALL SIDES. You, in contrary, are a highly ignorant individual. Attempt to reply, please. TWChelsea
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3:54pm Tue 23 Nov 10

New Malden Man says...

Can I correct you on your previous post, Tiffin school is a grammar school not a private school. It appears that you are implying I attended a public school. If I could be so bold to correct you on that, I attended a state school and also come from working class stock. A state education is no excuse for poor English.
Can I correct you on your previous post, Tiffin school is a grammar school not a private school. It appears that you are implying I attended a public school. If I could be so bold to correct you on that, I attended a state school and also come from working class stock. A state education is no excuse for poor English. New Malden Man
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4:01pm Tue 23 Nov 10

TWChelsea says...

New Malden Man wrote:
Can I correct you on your previous post, Tiffin school is a grammar school not a private school. It appears that you are implying I attended a public school. If I could be so bold to correct you on that, I attended a state school and also come from working class stock. A state education is no excuse for poor English.
That is a hilarious reply. Using the one part of the post where Ben wasn't deadly serious and 'correcting' him.

You're certainly back in the driving seat now!

Reply to the rest, muppet.
[quote][p][bold]New Malden Man[/bold] wrote: Can I correct you on your previous post, Tiffin school is a grammar school not a private school. It appears that you are implying I attended a public school. If I could be so bold to correct you on that, I attended a state school and also come from working class stock. A state education is no excuse for poor English.[/p][/quote]That is a hilarious reply. Using the one part of the post where Ben wasn't deadly serious and 'correcting' him. You're certainly back in the driving seat now! Reply to the rest, muppet. TWChelsea
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4:22pm Tue 23 Nov 10

Soggy of Surbiton says...

"The march was not EDL"

Then why were all those 'orrible people in the video chanting 'EDL, EDL'?

You deluded moron.
"The march was not EDL" Then why were all those 'orrible people in the video chanting 'EDL, EDL'? You deluded moron. Soggy of Surbiton
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4:27pm Tue 23 Nov 10

Soggy of Surbiton says...

"vent their political correctness."

As always, it's only a matter of time until the bigoted cretins start banding about the term 'political correctness'.

"what do you mean I can't urinate on this mosque, officer? This is political correctness gone mad!"
"vent their political correctness." As always, it's only a matter of time until the bigoted cretins start banding about the term 'political correctness'. "what do you mean I can't urinate on this mosque, officer? This is political correctness gone mad!" Soggy of Surbiton
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4:31pm Tue 23 Nov 10

Soggy of Surbiton says...

'bandying about', even. Excuse my mistake, all this exposure to the right wing must be getting to my brain...
'bandying about', even. Excuse my mistake, all this exposure to the right wing must be getting to my brain... Soggy of Surbiton
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4:50pm Tue 23 Nov 10

TWChelsea says...

Soggy of Surbiton wrote:
'bandying about', even. Excuse my mistake, all this exposure to the right wing must be getting to my brain...
Assuming we're right wing? Nice and suggestive.

Those who attacked the mosque deserve your abuse.

Those on the march do not, it's that simple.

I know there were EDL chants on the march, unfortunately certain people were attracted to showings of national pride etc as always.

If you're going to be very anti-stereotyping, anti-prejudice and whatever else you stand for make sure you do it properly. Realise that Muslim Extremists aren't a myth, and realise that people like me, and ordinary British Muslims want to do our best to stop the horrible conflict between ordinary citizens and Muslims. Which unfortunately is the result of extremist actions ON BOTH SIDES.

You choose little quotes and like to make yourself look better. But remove the clouded judgement, just momentarily. And answer this simple question...

Other than the people who smashed the mosque, what are 99% of the people on the march, myself, or Ben Baty doing wrong?
[quote][p][bold]Soggy of Surbiton[/bold] wrote: 'bandying about', even. Excuse my mistake, all this exposure to the right wing must be getting to my brain...[/p][/quote]Assuming we're right wing? Nice and suggestive. Those who attacked the mosque deserve your abuse. Those on the march do not, it's that simple. I know there were EDL chants on the march, unfortunately certain people were attracted to showings of national pride etc as always. If you're going to be very anti-stereotyping, anti-prejudice and whatever else you stand for make sure you do it properly. Realise that Muslim Extremists aren't a myth, and realise that people like me, and ordinary British Muslims want to do our best to stop the horrible conflict between ordinary citizens and Muslims. Which unfortunately is the result of extremist actions ON BOTH SIDES. You choose little quotes and like to make yourself look better. But remove the clouded judgement, just momentarily. And answer this simple question... Other than the people who smashed the mosque, what are 99% of the people on the march, myself, or Ben Baty doing wrong? TWChelsea
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4:56pm Tue 23 Nov 10

TWChelsea says...

Soggy of Surbiton wrote:
"The march was not EDL"

Then why were all those 'orrible people in the video chanting 'EDL, EDL'?

You deluded moron.
A muslim protest against a war would attract people who would probably shout obscenities such as 'British Soldiers Burn In Hell' I'm sure you'd agree that wouldn't make it an MAC protest?

Perhaps there was MAC supporters there, but don't get confused for what the protest actually is about. Same goes for the protest on Sunday and the EDL supporters presence.

Don't be what you hate. 'Deluded moron'.
[quote][p][bold]Soggy of Surbiton[/bold] wrote: "The march was not EDL" Then why were all those 'orrible people in the video chanting 'EDL, EDL'? You deluded moron.[/p][/quote]A muslim protest against a war would attract people who would probably shout obscenities such as 'British Soldiers Burn In Hell' I'm sure you'd agree that wouldn't make it an MAC protest? Perhaps there was MAC supporters there, but don't get confused for what the protest actually is about. Same goes for the protest on Sunday and the EDL supporters presence. Don't be what you hate. 'Deluded moron'. TWChelsea
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5:23pm Tue 23 Nov 10

Soggy of Surbiton says...

"EDL chants on the march, unfortunately certain people were attracted to showings of national pride"

LOL! marching through a town centre chanting the name of a far-right organisation is a little more that 'showings of national pride'.
"EDL chants on the march, unfortunately certain people were attracted to showings of national pride" LOL! marching through a town centre chanting the name of a far-right organisation is a little more that 'showings of national pride'. Soggy of Surbiton
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11:12pm Tue 23 Nov 10

TWChelsea says...

Soggy of Surbiton wrote:
"EDL chants on the march, unfortunately certain people were attracted to showings of national pride"

LOL! marching through a town centre chanting the name of a far-right organisation is a little more that 'showings of national pride'.
Nice swerve of the simple question I asked you/99% of what I previously said. You're useless at what you thrive off.

5-10 blokes chanting EDL, what about the rest of the 100 odd there?

There were many ex-Soldiers there. Families, elderly couples, children. All there for the same reason. Were there a few idiots? Of course, isn't there always. People on 'both sides' realise that it's a minority on both muslim and non-muslim sides that are causing massive racial tension.

And you know what makes it all the worse, people like you branding everyone who's standing up for their country as EDL because of actions of a minority. The same type of people that'd be first to jump up and shout if someone called a Muslim protest radical due to actions of a small percentage.

You're actually a joke. Feel free to skim-read my post, spot the letters E-D-L and get all excited about demonstrating against them.

Try and go through my points, and show me where I'm wrong, or explain what you mean properly. As I have with you and the other bloke, time, and time, and time again.
[quote][p][bold]Soggy of Surbiton[/bold] wrote: "EDL chants on the march, unfortunately certain people were attracted to showings of national pride" LOL! marching through a town centre chanting the name of a far-right organisation is a little more that 'showings of national pride'.[/p][/quote]Nice swerve of the simple question I asked you/99% of what I previously said. You're useless at what you thrive off. 5-10 blokes chanting EDL, what about the rest of the 100 odd there? There were many ex-Soldiers there. Families, elderly couples, children. All there for the same reason. Were there a few idiots? Of course, isn't there always. People on 'both sides' realise that it's a minority on both muslim and non-muslim sides that are causing massive racial tension. And you know what makes it all the worse, people like you branding everyone who's standing up for their country as EDL because of actions of a minority. The same type of people that'd be first to jump up and shout if someone called a Muslim protest radical due to actions of a small percentage. You're actually a joke. Feel free to skim-read my post, spot the letters E-D-L and get all excited about demonstrating against them. Try and go through my points, and show me where I'm wrong, or explain what you mean properly. As I have with you and the other bloke, time, and time, and time again. TWChelsea
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12:04am Wed 24 Nov 10

Ben Baty says...

May I just say New Malden man you have a Grammar mistake of your own. It's "here" not "hear".

I have no idea what sense of righteousness you get from constantly repeating yourself and avoiding questions. All I have heard from you and Soggy of Surbiton is assumed and misinformed rubbish. You continue to say I have poor grammar and I can't speak the English language. I am not being funny but my grammar is hardly unreadable and I do think that schooling has a massive part to play in this. I left school aged 15 and joined the Army when I was 16 so I have unfortunately missed out on further education. Let's hope soon I can sort this out by maybe attending a night class. Maybe you could run this night class because I really need you to teach me some good old fashioned English Language. Jokes aside please don't think that I am in any way inferior to you especially intellectually. This really is not the case and I think poor grammar is the last thing we should be debating about.

I referred to Tiffin School earlier knowing full well it would provoke a response from you. Not very nice being Stereotyped now is it. I know nothing of your backgrounds and you certainly don't know of mine.

Both of you also constantly refer to the English Defence League. For the last time Lads I am not a part of the EDL! I am also not right-winged. I was based in Germany when I was in the British Army and I had the misfortune of being based next to Bergen Belsen concentration camp. That place reduced me to tears and I can assure you that Extreme Right Winged Nazi views that you try to associate me with sicken me. I also have never and will never be a part of or vote BNP. If you must know I voted UKIP in our last elections and they are very far from Right Winged!

Also you both seem fairly intelligent lads so why must you continue to "tar everyone with the same brush"? You were the first to jump on the bandwagon when you heard the chant of "Muslim Bombers of our Streets" so why would you then do exactly the same and "tar" everyone who attended the march as EDL?

Also the EDL fundamental values are not that of the far right. They incorporate Judaism, the gay community, the Black British community and even the Non-Extreme elements of the Muslim community into what they do. Unfortunately the reason I am not associated with EDL is the sheer number of people that attend there marches just for trouble.

To that end this week I have been INVITED to The Kingston Mosque to have a sit down with local high people in the Muslim community. We are going to have a good discussion and try to find some "middle ground". I can assure you those of the "Far Right" would not be doing this! They also agree with the fundamental values of my own march. They agree that the Poppy burning was wrong and they agree that Extremist Muslims need to be addressed and dealt with.

I would just like to say again I have done nothing wrong. I didn't incite ANY racial hate or even say a bad word against anyone who isn't of an Extremist nature. I have conducted all my actions perfectly legally and I will continue to do so.

Please don't come back with some nonsense comment about the EDL or Far Right or English Grammar!

It is childish and unnecessary. We keep getting massively away from the whole point of the protest. It was against POPPY BURNING AND EXTREME ISLAM! How can you defend that? Even those Normal British Local Muslims are understanding where I am coming from and have acted apon this by inviting me to there place of worship.

I will continue to hold my head up high knowing I have not done anything wrong. I am an Ex-Serviceman, I am a Proud Englishman, I am a Law abiding Citizen and I am a Tax Payer. I have the right to voice my opinion in a Non-Violent Non-Racist way which is exactly what the march was. Just because 5-10 complete idiots did what they did and shouted EDL a few times doesn't take away that the march was perfectly peaceful. I will continue to do these protests and next time I will have the support of the British Non-Extreme Muslims as well as all the Men, Women and Children who were there last time.

Extreme Islamic views are not a joke. The 7/7 Bombing in London was not a joke. The war in Afghanistan where two of my friends have been killed and one seriously injured is not a Joke!

What is a joke is you two stirring things up all the time. It saddens me that your English.

One last point you might think that only a handful of people will do anything about this. Well I am telling you that from the response that my protest has got already the next one is looking to be a hell of a lot bigger!

Kind Regards Ben Baty

Leader of the Anti Extreme Islam March Kingston 2010
May I just say New Malden man you have a Grammar mistake of your own. It's "here" not "hear". I have no idea what sense of righteousness you get from constantly repeating yourself and avoiding questions. All I have heard from you and Soggy of Surbiton is assumed and misinformed rubbish. You continue to say I have poor grammar and I can't speak the English language. I am not being funny but my grammar is hardly unreadable and I do think that schooling has a massive part to play in this. I left school aged 15 and joined the Army when I was 16 so I have unfortunately missed out on further education. Let's hope soon I can sort this out by maybe attending a night class. Maybe you could run this night class because I really need you to teach me some good old fashioned English Language. Jokes aside please don't think that I am in any way inferior to you especially intellectually. This really is not the case and I think poor grammar is the last thing we should be debating about. I referred to Tiffin School earlier knowing full well it would provoke a response from you. Not very nice being Stereotyped now is it. I know nothing of your backgrounds and you certainly don't know of mine. Both of you also constantly refer to the English Defence League. For the last time Lads I am not a part of the EDL! I am also not right-winged. I was based in Germany when I was in the British Army and I had the misfortune of being based next to Bergen Belsen concentration camp. That place reduced me to tears and I can assure you that Extreme Right Winged Nazi views that you try to associate me with sicken me. I also have never and will never be a part of or vote BNP. If you must know I voted UKIP in our last elections and they are very far from Right Winged! Also you both seem fairly intelligent lads so why must you continue to "tar everyone with the same brush"? You were the first to jump on the bandwagon when you heard the chant of "Muslim Bombers of our Streets" so why would you then do exactly the same and "tar" everyone who attended the march as EDL? Also the EDL fundamental values are not that of the far right. They incorporate Judaism, the gay community, the Black British community and even the Non-Extreme elements of the Muslim community into what they do. Unfortunately the reason I am not associated with EDL is the sheer number of people that attend there marches just for trouble. To that end this week I have been INVITED to The Kingston Mosque to have a sit down with local high people in the Muslim community. We are going to have a good discussion and try to find some "middle ground". I can assure you those of the "Far Right" would not be doing this! They also agree with the fundamental values of my own march. They agree that the Poppy burning was wrong and they agree that Extremist Muslims need to be addressed and dealt with. I would just like to say again I have done nothing wrong. I didn't incite ANY racial hate or even say a bad word against anyone who isn't of an Extremist nature. I have conducted all my actions perfectly legally and I will continue to do so. Please don't come back with some nonsense comment about the EDL or Far Right or English Grammar! It is childish and unnecessary. We keep getting massively away from the whole point of the protest. It was against POPPY BURNING AND EXTREME ISLAM! How can you defend that? Even those Normal British Local Muslims are understanding where I am coming from and have acted apon this by inviting me to there place of worship. I will continue to hold my head up high knowing I have not done anything wrong. I am an Ex-Serviceman, I am a Proud Englishman, I am a Law abiding Citizen and I am a Tax Payer. I have the right to voice my opinion in a Non-Violent Non-Racist way which is exactly what the march was. Just because 5-10 complete idiots did what they did and shouted EDL a few times doesn't take away that the march was perfectly peaceful. I will continue to do these protests and next time I will have the support of the British Non-Extreme Muslims as well as all the Men, Women and Children who were there last time. Extreme Islamic views are not a joke. The 7/7 Bombing in London was not a joke. The war in Afghanistan where two of my friends have been killed and one seriously injured is not a Joke! What is a joke is you two stirring things up all the time. It saddens me that your English. One last point you might think that only a handful of people will do anything about this. Well I am telling you that from the response that my protest has got already the next one is looking to be a hell of a lot bigger! Kind Regards Ben Baty Leader of the Anti Extreme Islam March Kingston 2010 Ben Baty
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9:23am Wed 24 Nov 10

New Malden Man says...

Dear Mr Baty

Thank you for correcting my misuse of the word "hear". I stand corrected.
Dear Mr Baty Thank you for correcting my misuse of the word "hear". I stand corrected. New Malden Man
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12:53pm Wed 24 Nov 10

NotYourEnemy says...

I am against ALL extremists (including the EDL) and would like to just ask a few questions.

I AM FOR LOVE AND PEACE!

If the EDL was just against extremists, then they would have been wiser to call the Muslim community into their ranks. They could have had a Muslim division.

But instead they bring it the "Surfing Rabbi" and a few other Zionists to say how bad Islam is and that there are no such thing as MODERATE Muslims.

Perhaps if they would not shout Allah is a P*ado it would invite more people. This they came up with because apparently Mohammad married a 9 year old girl (WHO LIVED WITH HER PARENTS TILL OLD ENOUGH AND MOHAMMAD NEVER SAW HER TILL THEN). In those days it was common practice to build alliances between tries to marry. Did not mean they were living together. Also this was not exclusive to the Muslims, Christians and Jews too in those days. But the EDL turned this around. They misquote the Koran constantly (I refer to the EDL website again). You are not going to get a Muslim division like that are you?

Or their Indian representative saying God bless the Muslims as they will need it when they burn in "F*cking" Hell..

Proclaiming they are the supporters of Israel.

How patriotic. NOT! Israeli Stern Gang and others used to attack us Brits. They hung three British sergeants in the olive groves. They recently stole UK and other countries passports to kill someone in Dubai. They shot British and American aid workers and never prosecuted the Soldiers doing the killing. Nice one EDL!

Finally.. When they say MUSLIM bombers off our streets, are they saying they just don't like the Muslim ones and the rest of the bombers are ok? lol

I PREFER "TERRORIST, MURDERERS, RAPISTS, DRUG DEALERS AND ALL EXTREMISTS OFF OUR STREETS"

Please do not insult my intelligence any further with EDL are not against Muslims, just the Extreme Islam.

AFTER ALL I DON'T REMEMBER MARCHES AGAINST THE IRA WITH CHANTS SUCH AS CATHOLIC BOMBERS OFF OUR STREETS.

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So.. I leave you with my own demonstration.

WOULD ALL THE BOMBERS AND EXTREMISTS GET OFF OUR STREETS!!
I am against ALL extremists (including the EDL) and would like to just ask a few questions. I AM FOR LOVE AND PEACE! If the EDL was just against extremists, then they would have been wiser to call the Muslim community into their ranks. They could have had a Muslim division. But instead they bring it the "Surfing Rabbi" and a few other Zionists to say how bad Islam is and that there are no such thing as MODERATE Muslims. Perhaps if they would not shout Allah is a P*ado it would invite more people. This they came up with because apparently Mohammad married a 9 year old girl (WHO LIVED WITH HER PARENTS TILL OLD ENOUGH AND MOHAMMAD NEVER SAW HER TILL THEN). In those days it was common practice to build alliances between tries to marry. Did not mean they were living together. Also this was not exclusive to the Muslims, Christians and Jews too in those days. But the EDL turned this around. They misquote the Koran constantly (I refer to the EDL website again). You are not going to get a Muslim division like that are you? Or their Indian representative saying God bless the Muslims as they will need it when they burn in "F*cking" Hell.. Proclaiming they are the supporters of Israel. How patriotic. NOT! Israeli Stern Gang and others used to attack us Brits. They hung three British sergeants in the olive groves. They recently stole UK and other countries passports to kill someone in Dubai. They shot British and American aid workers and never prosecuted the Soldiers doing the killing. Nice one EDL! Finally.. When they say MUSLIM bombers off our streets, are they saying they just don't like the Muslim ones and the rest of the bombers are ok? lol I PREFER "TERRORIST, MURDERERS, RAPISTS, DRUG DEALERS AND ALL EXTREMISTS OFF OUR STREETS" Please do not insult my intelligence any further with EDL are not against Muslims, just the Extreme Islam. AFTER ALL I DON'T REMEMBER MARCHES AGAINST THE IRA WITH CHANTS SUCH AS CATHOLIC BOMBERS OFF OUR STREETS. -------------------- ---------------- So.. I leave you with my own demonstration. WOULD ALL THE BOMBERS AND EXTREMISTS GET OFF OUR STREETS!! NotYourEnemy
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12:58pm Wed 24 Nov 10

NotYourEnemy says...

meant to say Tribes not "Tries"
meant to say Tribes not "Tries" NotYourEnemy
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2:15pm Wed 24 Nov 10

Ben Baty says...

NotYourEnemy you certainly are not an enemy of mine as you have made some very valid points. I agree with you that all Extremists and Bombers should get off our streets. I also I AM FOR LOVE AND PEACE!

I would just like to say that I am Not an Extremist and I am not a member of the EDL!

Where I believe the EDL have failed and I quote you;
"If the EDL was just against extremists, then they would have been wiser to call the Muslim community into their ranks. They could have had a Muslim division".
I WILL have a Muslim Division. That is a Key difference between our parties.

The only reason I stick up for the EDL is because the people that started it and there fundamental values are not that unreasonable. The EDL Fundamental values are simple. White and Black Unite against the movement of Extreme Jihad in England. I have to agree with this. What I do not agree with is members of the EDL assuming all Muslims are bad. This clearly is not the case. The underlying fact of all this is I am not EDL and what I am trying to do is completely different and is 100% incorporating proud British Muslims!

I will quote you as saying, (I refer to the EDL website again). You are not going to get a Muslim division like that are you?

Well like I have said I will get a Muslim Division in time. It is one of the things I am working on the hardest because I believe it is such an important step in winning the fight against Extremism on both sides.

I am well aware that the EDL also misquotes the Qu'Ran and using almost WWII style propaganda against Muslims in general. Like I keep trying to say I am not in any way doing this. I have researched what the EDL has done. I am not going to make the same mistakes and eventually I would like to be bigger and better!

As for the mentioning of Israel I will quote you saying,"Israeli Stern Gang and others used to attack us Brits. They hung three British sergeants in the olive groves. They recently stole UK and other countries passports to kill someone in Dubai. They shot British and American aid workers and never prosecuted the Soldiers doing the killing. Nice one EDL!". Here you have tried to use Extreme Israelis as a reason why The EDL should not be supporting them. Yet again it seems that regardless of colour, race or religion that the Extremists mess things up 99% of the time. "They hung three British sergeants" I can assure you that not all Israeli people agree with this!

As for your other question and I will quote again, "When they say MUSLIM bombers off our streets, are they saying they just don't like the Muslim ones and the rest of the bombers are ok? lol" I can assure you that No bombers are welcome of our streets. This is a ridiculous thing to say. It was the chant of "Muslim Bombers off our streets". How can you disagree with that?

I will refer back to what you said about "Catholic Bombers off our streets"! If the IRA bombed something again I would happily shout that as it is in no way racist. It is not saying ALL Muslims off our streets just the bombers. If an Englishman was to blow up a Mosque and Muslim protesters shouted English Bombers off Our streets or Christian Bombers off our streets people would understand and so would I.

I will have to quote you again because I also agree with your chant, "I PREFER TERRORISTS, MURDERERS, RAPISTS, DRUG DEALERS AND ALL EXTREMISTS OFF OUR STREETS"
I may have to use this next time. But unfortunately due to all the Poppy Burners being Extremists from the Muslim faith we believed that "Muslim Bombers off our Streets" was the correct way of getting our point across.

So I will leave you with what my demonstration was all about.


EXTREME MUSLIMS, POPPY BURNERS AND TERRORISTS OFF OUR STREETS!


If anyone has any further questions of my protest please feel free to ask.


Kind Regards Ben Baty

Leader Of the Anti Extreme Islam March Kingston 2010
NotYourEnemy you certainly are not an enemy of mine as you have made some very valid points. I agree with you that all Extremists and Bombers should get off our streets. I also I AM FOR LOVE AND PEACE! I would just like to say that I am Not an Extremist and I am not a member of the EDL! Where I believe the EDL have failed and I quote you; "If the EDL was just against extremists, then they would have been wiser to call the Muslim community into their ranks. They could have had a Muslim division". I WILL have a Muslim Division. That is a Key difference between our parties. The only reason I stick up for the EDL is because the people that started it and there fundamental values are not that unreasonable. The EDL Fundamental values are simple. White and Black Unite against the movement of Extreme Jihad in England. I have to agree with this. What I do not agree with is members of the EDL assuming all Muslims are bad. This clearly is not the case. The underlying fact of all this is I am not EDL and what I am trying to do is completely different and is 100% incorporating proud British Muslims! I will quote you as saying, (I refer to the EDL website again). You are not going to get a Muslim division like that are you? Well like I have said I will get a Muslim Division in time. It is one of the things I am working on the hardest because I believe it is such an important step in winning the fight against Extremism on both sides. I am well aware that the EDL also misquotes the Qu'Ran and using almost WWII style propaganda against Muslims in general. Like I keep trying to say I am not in any way doing this. I have researched what the EDL has done. I am not going to make the same mistakes and eventually I would like to be bigger and better! As for the mentioning of Israel I will quote you saying,"Israeli Stern Gang and others used to attack us Brits. They hung three British sergeants in the olive groves. They recently stole UK and other countries passports to kill someone in Dubai. They shot British and American aid workers and never prosecuted the Soldiers doing the killing. Nice one EDL!". Here you have tried to use Extreme Israelis as a reason why The EDL should not be supporting them. Yet again it seems that regardless of colour, race or religion that the Extremists mess things up 99% of the time. "They hung three British sergeants" I can assure you that not all Israeli people agree with this! As for your other question and I will quote again, "When they say MUSLIM bombers off our streets, are they saying they just don't like the Muslim ones and the rest of the bombers are ok? lol" I can assure you that No bombers are welcome of our streets. This is a ridiculous thing to say. It was the chant of "Muslim Bombers off our streets". How can you disagree with that? I will refer back to what you said about "Catholic Bombers off our streets"! If the IRA bombed something again I would happily shout that as it is in no way racist. It is not saying ALL Muslims off our streets just the bombers. If an Englishman was to blow up a Mosque and Muslim protesters shouted English Bombers off Our streets or Christian Bombers off our streets people would understand and so would I. I will have to quote you again because I also agree with your chant, "I PREFER TERRORISTS, MURDERERS, RAPISTS, DRUG DEALERS AND ALL EXTREMISTS OFF OUR STREETS" I may have to use this next time. But unfortunately due to all the Poppy Burners being Extremists from the Muslim faith we believed that "Muslim Bombers off our Streets" was the correct way of getting our point across. So I will leave you with what my demonstration was all about. EXTREME MUSLIMS, POPPY BURNERS AND TERRORISTS OFF OUR STREETS! If anyone has any further questions of my protest please feel free to ask. Kind Regards Ben Baty Leader Of the Anti Extreme Islam March Kingston 2010 Ben Baty
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2:50pm Wed 24 Nov 10

NotYourEnemy says...

Hi Ben. I hope I have not given you the wrong impression. I was not having a go at you but the EDL and the EXTREME Muslims.

I do not think you an extreme person. Far from it as you have condemned anything extreem in the report in the Surrey Comet before anyone had a chance to post.

Nor was I saying every Israeli. Infact again I was referring to the minority. The Stern Gang did exists and so has the live grow murders. But again they were like 1%.

Also there are Israeli Human Rights Groups who readily demo against the ISraeli governemnt for the Palestinians rights for example.

I was merely trying to show the fact that the EDL (in my opinion are generally against Muslims or like you said the extreme ones latch on).

I particularly admire the fact that you will be meeting Muslim leaders and hope together shoulder to shoulder EVERYONE can demonstrate.

I think you are the man that can pull this off. I hope it makes headlines and sorts out ALL extreme people once and for all.

I for one am behind you.

Peace Brother :)
Hi Ben. I hope I have not given you the wrong impression. I was not having a go at you but the EDL and the EXTREME Muslims. I do not think you an extreme person. Far from it as you have condemned anything extreem in the report in the Surrey Comet before anyone had a chance to post. Nor was I saying every Israeli. Infact again I was referring to the minority. The Stern Gang did exists and so has the live grow murders. But again they were like 1%. Also there are Israeli Human Rights Groups who readily demo against the ISraeli governemnt for the Palestinians rights for example. I was merely trying to show the fact that the EDL (in my opinion are generally against Muslims or like you said the extreme ones latch on). I particularly admire the fact that you will be meeting Muslim leaders and hope together shoulder to shoulder EVERYONE can demonstrate. I think you are the man that can pull this off. I hope it makes headlines and sorts out ALL extreme people once and for all. I for one am behind you. Peace Brother :) NotYourEnemy
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4:32pm Wed 24 Nov 10

bulmergeorgina says...

I am saddened by a lot of what l read l was brought up in kingston and my parents still live there. I think it is a terrible shame that in our beautiful country it is becoming harder and harder to have freedom of speech. I watched the burning of the poppies with disgust and sadness that this could be allowed. What we need to remember is this march had nothing to do with race it was to do with respect for all the brave men and women that fight for this country and put their lives at risk for us and our children. In answer to the point that people from other races did not come i think that is due to fear of not being welcome rather than lack of support,I am black born in london as where my parents and so on and if had been closer would have marched with pride. My ancestors also fought for our great country for the very freedom that know allows these extremists to stand in our streets and do what they did.
I am saddened by a lot of what l read l was brought up in kingston and my parents still live there. I think it is a terrible shame that in our beautiful country it is becoming harder and harder to have freedom of speech. I watched the burning of the poppies with disgust and sadness that this could be allowed. What we need to remember is this march had nothing to do with race it was to do with respect for all the brave men and women that fight for this country and put their lives at risk for us and our children. In answer to the point that people from other races did not come i think that is due to fear of not being welcome rather than lack of support,I am black born in london as where my parents and so on and if had been closer would have marched with pride. My ancestors also fought for our great country for the very freedom that know allows these extremists to stand in our streets and do what they did. bulmergeorgina
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5:50am Thu 25 Nov 10

Ben Baty says...

Hello NotYourEnemy Thankyou very much for that nice reply that has honestly made my day :)

Its nice to see you agree with some of what I have been saying. I will quote you, "I particularly admire the fact that you will be meeting Muslim leaders and hope together shoulder to shoulder EVERYONE can demonstrate".

This will hopefully be what is achieved from my next march. I strongly believe I can be the man to find unity amongst the proud English Muslim Community and the Proud English Non-Muslim community. You are more than welcome to attend our next march.

Hello bulmergeorgina, It is lovely to see a Proud Black Enlgish Londoner voicing her opinion. I hope I can welcome many more people like you to my next march.

I have started my own Organisation as I am sick of people assuming we are a secret Middlesex/Surrey EDL Divison. It is called England Against Extremism(EAE) and it stands for exactly what it says. There is a FaceBook page already up and all information on our next Non-Racist, Peacefull and Colourful protest will be up there shortly.

My Kindest Regards to bulmergeorgina and NotYourEnemy

Ben Baty Leader of England Against Extremism(EAE) and proud organiser of the Anti Extreme Islam March Middlesex(KIngston) 2010
Hello NotYourEnemy Thankyou very much for that nice reply that has honestly made my day :) Its nice to see you agree with some of what I have been saying. I will quote you, "I particularly admire the fact that you will be meeting Muslim leaders and hope together shoulder to shoulder EVERYONE can demonstrate". This will hopefully be what is achieved from my next march. I strongly believe I can be the man to find unity amongst the proud English Muslim Community and the Proud English Non-Muslim community. You are more than welcome to attend our next march. Hello bulmergeorgina, It is lovely to see a Proud Black Enlgish Londoner voicing her opinion. I hope I can welcome many more people like you to my next march. I have started my own Organisation as I am sick of people assuming we are a secret Middlesex/Surrey EDL Divison. It is called England Against Extremism(EAE) and it stands for exactly what it says. There is a FaceBook page already up and all information on our next Non-Racist, Peacefull and Colourful protest will be up there shortly. My Kindest Regards to bulmergeorgina and NotYourEnemy Ben Baty Leader of England Against Extremism(EAE) and proud organiser of the Anti Extreme Islam March Middlesex(KIngston) 2010 Ben Baty
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12:37pm Thu 25 Nov 10

NotYourEnemy says...

Hi Ben. I will be there. :)

I have a lot of Muslim mates (this is why I disagree with the EDL lies about Islam being evil etc. These Muslims guys I know are honest, hard working, love this country (they even go to the pub lol) and as they pointed out, the bombers etc kill Muslims too (not that that makes a difference to them of course).

On 911 alone there were 100's of Muslims that died too. The world forgets this.. Also 7/7 lots of Muslims died and lots of Muslims came to the aid of people.

Just the media is always a little "slow" at reporting the good side of these people. lol

I certainly belive you are the man that can make history.

Like the other poster said a lot are reluctant to go to marches as they feel they would not be welcome. I think you are the man that can change that.

I am sure, I am by no means the only person behind you.

Well done! :)

PS: Could we add "POPPY BURNERS, BOMBERS, MURDERERS, RAPISTS, DRUG DEALERS and THE RECENT EXPENSE FRAUDSTER POLITICIANS OFF OUR STREETS?" lol
Hi Ben. I will be there. :) I have a lot of Muslim mates (this is why I disagree with the EDL lies about Islam being evil etc. These Muslims guys I know are honest, hard working, love this country (they even go to the pub lol) and as they pointed out, the bombers etc kill Muslims too (not that that makes a difference to them of course). On 911 alone there were 100's of Muslims that died too. The world forgets this.. Also 7/7 lots of Muslims died and lots of Muslims came to the aid of people. Just the media is always a little "slow" at reporting the good side of these people. lol I certainly belive you are the man that can make history. Like the other poster said a lot are reluctant to go to marches as they feel they would not be welcome. I think you are the man that can change that. I am sure, I am by no means the only person behind you. Well done! :) PS: Could we add "POPPY BURNERS, BOMBERS, MURDERERS, RAPISTS, DRUG DEALERS and THE RECENT EXPENSE FRAUDSTER POLITICIANS OFF OUR STREETS?" lol NotYourEnemy
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2:20am Fri 26 Nov 10

wrighty10 says...

Alright baty its lefty.
As a british citizen i find it an absolute disgrace when family's and the general public go out to support our soldiers and to remember people who have fallen not only in the wars happening now but previous wars to find a 'small group' of muslims burning poppies at the exact hour in which we remember those who have fallen. Now some people can call that "freedom of speech'' to do and say what they did, not only on remembrance day, but on the days when our soldiers have coming home parades. This also could start a race war or riots so to me it sounds ironic when someone comments ''are they trying to start a race war?'' by shouting ''muslim bombers of our streets'' . Chanting ''muslim bombers of our streets'' is not stereotyping every muslim to be a bomber it is against the MUSLIM BOMBERS who are able to plot terror attacks! go to prison, get paid compensation then are free to walk in the cities they were plotting attacks on in the first place! The march was NOT a racist march it ended peacefully on the organizers side. The aim of this march and of the many more marches to come in my eyes.. are to say NO we wont lie down while you burn the poppies on our remembrance day for our fallen heroes.. NO we don't want terrorists walking our streets and NO we won't have our present heroes take abuse while they parade through our streets.
Alright baty its lefty. As a british citizen i find it an absolute disgrace when family's and the general public go out to support our soldiers and to remember people who have fallen not only in the wars happening now but previous wars to find a 'small group' of muslims burning poppies at the exact hour in which we remember those who have fallen. Now some people can call that "freedom of speech'' to do and say what they did, not only on remembrance day, but on the days when our soldiers have coming home parades. This also could start a race war or riots so to me it sounds ironic when someone comments ''are they trying to start a race war?'' by shouting ''muslim bombers of our streets'' . Chanting ''muslim bombers of our streets'' is not stereotyping every muslim to be a bomber it is against the MUSLIM BOMBERS who are able to plot terror attacks! go to prison, get paid compensation then are free to walk in the cities they were plotting attacks on in the first place! The march was NOT a racist march it ended peacefully on the organizers side. The aim of this march and of the many more marches to come in my eyes.. are to say NO we wont lie down while you burn the poppies on our remembrance day for our fallen heroes.. NO we don't want terrorists walking our streets and NO we won't have our present heroes take abuse while they parade through our streets. wrighty10
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11:09am Fri 26 Nov 10

NotYourEnemy says...

Well go on and shout Muslim Bombers Off Our Streets. No one is stopping you are they?

I just prefer to shout ALL Bombers off our streets. Becuase I dont care if they are Muslim or not. I just dont like BOMBERS full stop. Is that really such a problem?

Peace!
Well go on and shout Muslim Bombers Off Our Streets. No one is stopping you are they? I just prefer to shout ALL Bombers off our streets. Becuase I dont care if they are Muslim or not. I just dont like BOMBERS full stop. Is that really such a problem? Peace! NotYourEnemy
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11:15am Fri 26 Nov 10

NotYourEnemy says...

Hi Ben. I want to take part in your campaign. May I email you on the email address you posted?
Hi Ben. I want to take part in your campaign. May I email you on the email address you posted? NotYourEnemy
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10:45pm Sat 4 Dec 10

bellaciao says...

Ben Baty, distanced himself from the mosque attacks and claimed he “wanted people from other communities to feel welcome” on his protest.

Yet this is contradicted by his comments on:

http://www.freewebs.
com/realshepperton16
/

Here we get an insight into Baty’s opinion of an ex-team mate, the “**** token black guy”, and another quote referring to people simply as “**** ****”. This is not the only bigotry that oozes from the pages but certainly some of the vilest examples of it.

He also illuminates his views of a well-known anti-racism initiative saying, “Rememeber fans rasicm is treated as ZERO TOLERANCE at this club and you will be banned if caught racist chanting or anything of that nature. (Serious coughing and laughing in the background)”. This appears alongside a defaced logo reading “Let’s NOT Kick Racism Out Of Football”.

Baty says the mosque attack was “the kind of behaviour I thought my march would not attract”. So let’s give a dim racist the benefit of doubt, maybe he didn’t know what he was letting himself in for.

However, had he done a bit of research – a quick Google search would have sufficed – he would have realised exactly the kind of behaviour marches such as his end up encouraging.

From the racist rampages through Luton and Stoke, to the attacks on mosques and temples in Dudley in the past year, we have too many examples of EDL inspired (and BNP supported) intimidation of parts of our community.

But then what else might we expect from someone who’s own web site links to the EDL (through the football hooligan site links) and directly to the BNP (if only he was smart enough to give the proper address)!

Racists like Ben Baty, the EDL, and the fascist BNP are not welcome in our society. The sooner we chase them back to the gutter where they belong the better.
Ben Baty, distanced himself from the mosque attacks and claimed he “wanted people from other communities to feel welcome” on his protest. Yet this is contradicted by his comments on: http://www.freewebs. com/realshepperton16 / Here we get an insight into Baty’s opinion of an ex-team mate, the “**** token black guy”, and another quote referring to people simply as “**** ****”. This is not the only bigotry that oozes from the pages but certainly some of the vilest examples of it. He also illuminates his views of a well-known anti-racism initiative saying, “Rememeber fans rasicm is treated as ZERO TOLERANCE at this club and you will be banned if caught racist chanting or anything of that nature. (Serious coughing and laughing in the background)”. This appears alongside a defaced logo reading “Let’s NOT Kick Racism Out Of Football”. Baty says the mosque attack was “the kind of behaviour I thought my march would not attract”. So let’s give a dim racist the benefit of doubt, maybe he didn’t know what he was letting himself in for. However, had he done a bit of research – a quick Google search would have sufficed – he would have realised exactly the kind of behaviour marches such as his end up encouraging. From the racist rampages through Luton and Stoke, to the attacks on mosques and temples in Dudley in the past year, we have too many examples of EDL inspired (and BNP supported) intimidation of parts of our community. But then what else might we expect from someone who’s own web site links to the EDL (through the football hooligan site links) and directly to the BNP (if only he was smart enough to give the proper address)! Racists like Ben Baty, the EDL, and the fascist BNP are not welcome in our society. The sooner we chase them back to the gutter where they belong the better. bellaciao
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6:18am Tue 7 Dec 10

Ben Baty says...

HI bellaciao,

I would like to say very good research. It must have taken a great deal of time and effort to type my name into Google....

I would like to start by saying the reason I distanced myself from the Mosque attacks is because I was in NO WAY involved in them. I also do not condone this kind of behaviour against all Muslims. Like I have said a thousand times and I will continue to say I am against Extreme Islam. I also generally did want people from other communities who are proud to be English to be made welcome and they will be at the next march.

I suppose the website you have linked does at first glance seem to contradict what I have said in other interviews and in the above comments. I would just like to say that website was made in 2005 when I was 15 years old. I was in Year 10 at school and it was for our under 16 football team. On this website you will notice it is full of "Banter" and you will also notice it was a team of young lads from very different backgrounds.

Although it may not seem acceptable for a person to be called "The Token Black Guy" when you play football at a young age banter is never far away. It was always said as a laugh and was no different to the fat lads being called fat or the tall lads being called lanky or the traveller lad being called a pikey. Banter in all working class group activities is a massive part of team spirit. Everyone has a nickname. There is nothing on that website that is "Vile" or "racist" in any way. You can also clearly tell that it was made by kids for kids as a JOKE!!!

I find it extremely frustrating that somebody like yourself who is trying to take the morale high ground on that very politically correct horse of yours has to wait weeks after the discussion has finished to write your sly comment.

Maybe next time before you try and slander my name you could do a little more research into my life before you attempt to label me as a racist. You would find that I am very close friends with a number of Coloured people, that my Girlfriend is mixed race, that my ex boss my Sikh and that when I was in the British Army was best performance report came from a Sgt who just so happened to be a Hindu.

I honestly find this quick 5minute Google of my name and a rant about how I am a Racist to be just pathetic. It is very easy to label someone as a Racist and then throw in the words "EDL" and "BNP" but the truth is I have NO ASSOCIATION with either!!!!

If you could also please find me some evidence that I am involved with a low rank organisation like the "BNP" I would be much obliged. Or actually anything I have done wrong that is not from when I was 15 Years Old?????????

I think you will struggle :)

I will leave you with a Brilliant quote from your comment, "Racists like Ben Baty, the EDL, and the fascist BNP are not welcome in our society. The sooner we chase them back to the gutter where they belong the better"

Can I just say I hate the BNP, I am in no way part of the EDL and I certainly am not a racist which is very easily proved. I also am not from the gutter. I have served my country and all I tried to do was merely show Extreme Islam and Poppy burning can't be allowed to continue.

Our next march is already promising to be bigger, more diverse and more passionate than before and there is nothing you can do to stop us.

Kind Regards

Ben Baty

Ex Soldier & Proud Organiser of the Anti EXTREME Islam march 2010

P.S Feel free to quote me in saying I hate the BNP and there Fascist opinions.
HI bellaciao, I would like to say very good research. It must have taken a great deal of time and effort to type my name into Google.... I would like to start by saying the reason I distanced myself from the Mosque attacks is because I was in NO WAY involved in them. I also do not condone this kind of behaviour against all Muslims. Like I have said a thousand times and I will continue to say I am against Extreme Islam. I also generally did want people from other communities who are proud to be English to be made welcome and they will be at the next march. I suppose the website you have linked does at first glance seem to contradict what I have said in other interviews and in the above comments. I would just like to say that website was made in 2005 when I was 15 years old. I was in Year 10 at school and it was for our under 16 football team. On this website you will notice it is full of "Banter" and you will also notice it was a team of young lads from very different backgrounds. Although it may not seem acceptable for a person to be called "The Token Black Guy" when you play football at a young age banter is never far away. It was always said as a laugh and was no different to the fat lads being called fat or the tall lads being called lanky or the traveller lad being called a pikey. Banter in all working class group activities is a massive part of team spirit. Everyone has a nickname. There is nothing on that website that is "Vile" or "racist" in any way. You can also clearly tell that it was made by kids for kids as a JOKE!!! I find it extremely frustrating that somebody like yourself who is trying to take the morale high ground on that very politically correct horse of yours has to wait weeks after the discussion has finished to write your sly comment. Maybe next time before you try and slander my name you could do a little more research into my life before you attempt to label me as a racist. You would find that I am very close friends with a number of Coloured people, that my Girlfriend is mixed race, that my ex boss my Sikh and that when I was in the British Army was best performance report came from a Sgt who just so happened to be a Hindu. I honestly find this quick 5minute Google of my name and a rant about how I am a Racist to be just pathetic. It is very easy to label someone as a Racist and then throw in the words "EDL" and "BNP" but the truth is I have NO ASSOCIATION with either!!!! If you could also please find me some evidence that I am involved with a low rank organisation like the "BNP" I would be much obliged. Or actually anything I have done wrong that is not from when I was 15 Years Old????????? I think you will struggle :) I will leave you with a Brilliant quote from your comment, "Racists like Ben Baty, the EDL, and the fascist BNP are not welcome in our society. The sooner we chase them back to the gutter where they belong the better" Can I just say I hate the BNP, I am in no way part of the EDL and I certainly am not a racist which is very easily proved. I also am not from the gutter. I have served my country and all I tried to do was merely show Extreme Islam and Poppy burning can't be allowed to continue. Our next march is already promising to be bigger, more diverse and more passionate than before and there is nothing you can do to stop us. Kind Regards Ben Baty Ex Soldier & Proud Organiser of the Anti EXTREME Islam march 2010 P.S Feel free to quote me in saying I hate the BNP and there Fascist opinions. Ben Baty
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