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Polish men assaulted on N213 bus

6:31pm Thursday 13th November 2008 in News By Alita Howe

CCTV image of a man police want to trace in connection with the bus assault

Police have released CCTV images of two men they want to trace in connection with an assault where two Polish men were bottled on a night bus in Kingston.

Kingston Police were called at 2.18am on Saturday, August 2 after the two men, aged 21 and 24, were attacked on the N213 bus, which runs from Kingston to Croydon near the Cromwell Road bus station.

The men were verbally abused before being assaulted and the attackers then fled near Queen Elizabeth Road at its junction with Cromwell Road.

The two victims were rushed to Kingston Hospital by the London Ambulance Service where one man received treatment for a deep cut to his neck and left wrist, which has left him with loss of feeling in his hand and nerve damage.

The second man suffered deep cuts to his head and shoulder. He is still recovering and is yet to return to work.

Police are looking for two men who are described as eastern European or Mediterranean with dark hair and aged 23 to 30 years old.

One was wearing a white shirt and blue jeans and the other was wearing a white shirt with a black tank top over blue jeans.

Anyone with information is asked to call Kingston CID on 020 8247 4909 or Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.

Comments(39)

scoffer says...
12:43pm Fri 14 Nov 08

Erm... two Eastern Europeans or Mediterranean criminals ? perhaps nastyolTom is "vetting" these people ? it's fairly obvious there are a lot of imported criminals in this country - Oops... is it racist to say this ? well, Leyroy and Winston my two mates sitting opposite me have just said the same thing - and so did Trevor Phillips (unelected 200k part-timer race guru) it's not at all to racist to say what everyone else is thinking!!

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justine says...
3:24pm Fri 14 Nov 08

Leroy and Winston??? Ha Ha Ha, you've made it up.

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NastyMrTom says...
3:46pm Fri 14 Nov 08

No he hasn't. He's got a Mexican colleague called Pedro , a Spaniard called Manuel and Russian called Boris. I think he works on a 1970's sitcom.
The man can't sink any lower , surely ?

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scoffer says...
4:18pm Fri 14 Nov 08

It always upsets the nasty poster with the hidden political agenda like nastyredTom... you see she's so out of touch with everyday people and their ever changing political views that she thinks it's impossible for Leyroy and Winston - to have political views different to hers - but they do!! and they have!! why shouldn't they ? Oh I see, deep down Leyroy and Winston cannnot have their say about such issues ?? they have to do as they are told under nastyTom's marxist agenda eh ? Mmm... another blunder by redTom - best get on the phone to H.Q. and ask for some advice comrade Tom!! he, he, poor olTom's not nasty - just very dumb!! IOT!!

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justine says...
5:25pm Fri 14 Nov 08

I think you missed the point scoffer. Let me explain: the reason I thought you made up Winston and Leroy is because you chose very stereotypical names for your 'friends'. So NastyTom made a very funny comment to illustrate my point further. No-one implied that Leroy and Winston couldn't have different political views. We merely thought that Winston and Leroy couldn't possibly exist, as you obviously chose those names to give the impression that your mates are black (and therefore somehow make your views palatable?) I hope this has explained it a little.

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NastyMrTom says...
5:31pm Fri 14 Nov 08

Nobody on here has commented on Leroy & Winston's (trying hard to keep a straight face here) views.

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justine says...
11:47pm Fri 14 Nov 08

What is surprising though, according to Scoffer, Trevor Phillips has said that there are a lot of imported criminals in this country. Are you sure he said that? Can you tell me what to google so I can see for myself? Or maybe you could tell me what issue of The Sun reported this?

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scoffer says...
12:24pm Sat 15 Nov 08

If you were to read ALL the newspapers and media outlets... you would know that a high percentage of people who have been allowed to stay in the U.K. or are seeking leave to remain here in the U.K. have then gone on to commit crimes - it's all over the net - if you want to find it... something like 20% of the prison population is now foreign - that means we've imported foreign criminals - the same people nastyolTom aka Touran has stated that, "these people are carefully vetted before being allowed into the U.K." of course - we all now this is total balderdash - only those with a hidden political marxist agenda would attempt to paint this kind od false picture of the true facts... justine is another in denial (probably - nastyoldTom using YET another girlie name!!) you don't like the honest joe public finding out what's going on - and then chatting about it on internet forums - hence Touran coming out from the woodwork and spreading false lies and smears about me in an attempt to stop sensible, constructive, polite, debate about the very subject many people are now more concerned with than ever before!! it's not at all racist to be concerned about these issues!!

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justine says...
1:08pm Sat 15 Nov 08

It's not racist to be concerned about immigration. It's racist to express this concern in the way that you do. And it's racist when you give your made up friends names like Winston and Leroy to illustrate their race. And I've also noticed that all of your comments relate to the same subject. I've not seen you post anything positive or commented on anything that is not race related.
I do not read ALL the news and media, I am selective as to what I read, simply because I am drawn to a different type of media than you are. It's purely a matter of taste, and I'm not saying there is a right and a wrong. But I will say that you are probably reading the type of media that is reporting what you like to hear, rather than the real facts. I don't know why you think we all have to have the same opinions and views as you, there are people who think differently to you. Luckily we are in a majority. You can of course keep your views and speak out freely, but so can we. And as I've said before, we live in a democracy, and you can let your views know by voting for whoever you think will do your views justice. By the same token, you need to accept that the majority has voted for the government that represents their views (most of the time) and unless your view becomes the view of the majority, you will need to abide by the rules of this country. If one day the government changes to accommodate your opinions, then I will have to put up with it too. But you really need to ask yourself why so few people support your views. You talk about others opinions as 'marxist', but you also stick up a lot for the 'workers', honest and decent people. Well isn't that a marxist idea? And by the way, girlie names are not a bad thing. You also talk about Touran stopping sensible, constructive, polite debate. I haven't heard you being polite once. Nor sensible or constructive.

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scoffer says...
3:46pm Sat 15 Nov 08

I don't remember the Labour party ever saying they were going to allow an extra few million people from overseas come here - legally, illegally, or otherwise - I did read ( and I read ALL news outlets to gather a wide scope of info - not just the Sun ) that Government 'advisers' said ONLY 13,000 newcomers would arrive here from Eastern European countries ? - that figure was well wrong - as it's been put at over 1M!! many of those from eastern europe can work and avoid paying tax if they return home after 9 months ( most of them do this!!) then they return after a 2 month break and start all over again - we also have to fork out child benefit for kid's they say they have in their home countries ?? this has been another loop-hole and fiddle costing tax-payers cash we don't have.

Me criticising this Government - is exactly what some newspapers are doing everyday of the week - it's simply NOT racist to repeat the same thing on the internet - As for abiding by the rules of this country - I do - I also agree it's healthy and challeging to oppose people who are wrecking this country with their unfair policies of taking us into wars - e.t.c.

If you think i'm being 'racist' in 'the way I say things' explain where ? and how ? I'm not racist whatsoever - it's just your biased, slanted, view which has no substance - it's a throwaway remark that used to have people worried that they were being labelled a racist - and it stifled people from sensible debate.

You claim you have not seen any sensible views from me whatsoever - fair enough - that's your view... I claim I have not seen any sensible views from this Government by allowing millions of extra people to come here when the country cannot afford them - some have even travelled across many 'safe' countries to reach the U.K. claiming they are fearful of their lives - it's NOT sensible for people to keep arriving here using this well worn out excuse!! sensible idea ? yes I think it's very sensible to close this loop-hole.

There are certain names that keep popping up on here only to challenge what i've said - they hardly post anything except to disagree with anything i've said - thats o.k. - but I do know how these things work - and I do know how people with certain political leanings to the far left - will attempt to stop sensible, honest debate by banding the word 'racist' around - it used to work - but not anymore!! Oh well - must move on now!!

I don't remember the Labour party ever saying they were going to allow an extra few million people from overseas come here - legally, illegally, or otherwise - I did read ( and I read ALL news outlets to gather a wide scope of info - not just the Sun ) that Government 'advisers' said ONLY 13,000 newcomers would arrive here from Eastern European countries ? - that figure was well wrong - as it's been put at over 1M!! many of those from eastern europe can work and avoid paying tax if they return home after 9 months ( most of them do this!!) then they return after a 2 month break and start all over again - we also have to fork out child benefit for kid's they say they have in their home countries ?? this has been another loop-hole and fiddle costing tax-payers cash we don't have. Me criticising this Government - is exactly what some newspapers are doing everyday of the week - it's simply NOT racist to repeat the same thing on the internet - As for abiding by the rules of this country - I do - I also agree it's healthy and challeging to oppose people who are wrecking this country with their unfair policies of taking us into wars - e.t.c. If you think i'm being 'racist' in 'the way I say things' explain where ? and how ? I'm not racist whatsoever - it's just your biased, slanted, view which has no substance - it's a throwaway remark that used to have people worried that they were being labelled a racist - and it stifled people from sensible debate. You claim you have not seen any sensible views from me whatsoever - fair enough - that's your view... I claim I have not seen any sensible views from this Government by allowing millions of extra people to come here when the country cannot afford them - some have even travelled across many 'safe' countries to reach the U.K. claiming they are fearful of their lives - it's NOT sensible for people to keep arriving here using this well worn out excuse!! sensible idea ? yes I think it's very sensible to close this loop-hole. There are certain names that keep popping up on here only to challenge what i've said - they hardly post anything except to disagree with anything i've said - thats o.k. - but I do know how these things work - and I do know how people with certain political leanings to the far left - will attempt to stop sensible, honest debate by banding the word 'racist' around - it used to work - but not anymore!! Oh well - must move on now!! scoffer

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justine says...
8:46pm Sat 15 Nov 08

A long reply, but I still think you haven't touched on the points I raised.

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NastyMrTom says...
2:29pm Mon 17 Nov 08

scoffer wrote:
If you were to read ALL the newspapers and media outlets... you would know that a high percentage of people who have been allowed to stay in the U.K. or are seeking leave to remain here in the U.K. have then gone on to commit crimes - it's all over the net - if you want to find it... something like 20% of the prison population is now foreign - that means we've imported foreign criminals - the same people nastyolTom aka Touran has stated that, "these people are carefully vetted before being allowed into the U.K." of course - we all now this is total balderdash - only those with a hidden political marxist agenda would attempt to paint this kind od false picture of the true facts... justine is another in denial (probably - nastyoldTom using YET another girlie name!!) you don't like the honest joe public finding out what's going on - and then chatting about it on internet forums - hence Touran coming out from the woodwork and spreading false lies and smears about me in an attempt to stop sensible, constructive, polite, debate about the very subject many people are now more concerned with than ever before!! it's not at all racist to be concerned about these issues!!

I keep telling you I have no connection to Touran whatsoever ...
try accepting that more people on here find your views repulsive

I still want to know if Leyroy & Winston really exist ??

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scoffer says...
6:13pm Mon 17 Nov 08

Boring!!

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NastyMrTom says...
6:56pm Mon 17 Nov 08

Come on Tiny don't be like that.

My workmate ... let's call him Bruce , he's from Australia (LOL)... says you're the most pathetic person he's ever come across. What do Leyroy & Winston say ??

You're a joke !!

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scoffer says...
1:18pm Tue 18 Nov 08

In nastyolredTom's world she thinks for everyone on this forum and probably in real life - that's why they call her 'nasty' - on here, no one is allowed to have a view of anything that she disagrees with - Leyroy and Winston my buddies in work are now being picked on by nastyTom on here... she is now picking on ethnic minority people to boster her marxist views - how dare they think for themselves and disagree with me says nastyolTom... yeah... the nastiness is starting to shine through on this thread too!! Well Leyroy and Winston have every right to disagree with you nastyTom - and that's yer big headache on here - no one cares what you think or say - your marxist views are outdated!! millions are fleeing 'failed' socialist/marxist regimes around the world yer daft hapeth!! but when Leyroy and Winston says we've had enough of immigrants travelling half way around the world to get to our little island - I think we should listen to what they have to say!! sorry olnastyredTom... you've lost this argument!! failed again!!

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NastyMrTom says...
1:30pm Tue 18 Nov 08

How have I picked on Leyroy and Winston ? Show me one example you tw*t.

Once again you don't read .... you don't understand ... you don't function normally. You just repeat the same rubbish until you're exposed as an idiot then post something childish like 'boring' or start to whinge that I'm being nasty to you.

As both Justine and I have made very clear ... we think you've made them up. It's quite the most pathetic attempt to portray your ignorant views as being acceptable to others from a minority. It's so cringe worthy I feel dirty just playing along.

You're the biggest joke on the forum and you just keep sinking lower ... I love it !!!

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scoffer says...
3:33pm Tue 18 Nov 08

You've doubted they could possibly have sensible, decent, views like mine - and that's where it's nasty, you don't know me or Leyroy or Winston - in your eyes that don't exsist!! how insulting can one get ? how silly of you to think that out of a population of 60 odd million that you think it's impossible for two ethnic minority friends of mine to think that the immigration system is in total chaos (which it is I might add!!) and something ought to be blooming well done about it!! that's where you are picking on them!! you don't even know them!! yet there you are 'thinking' for them and assuming you know their inner thoughts!! how rude and nasty you are olTom!! I think you have made yourself look very silly olredTom - the whole office are falling off their chairs after reading your replies - I won't post up their view - this is a family friendly website!! IOT!!

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justine says...
4:08pm Tue 18 Nov 08

I'm starting to wonder how old you are...you're accusing NastyTom of picking on 'Leroy and Winston', yet you pick on other people who have different opinions to you all the time. And you're rude with it. Why don't Leroy and Winston post their own replies on here? As for family friendly website, when has that stopped you before?

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NastyMrTom says...
4:59pm Tue 18 Nov 08

scoffer wrote:
You've doubted they could possibly have sensible, decent, views like mine - and that's where it's nasty, you don't know me or Leyroy or Winston - in your eyes that don't exsist!! how insulting can one get ? how silly of you to think that out of a population of 60 odd million that you think it's impossible for two ethnic minority friends of mine to think that the immigration system is in total chaos (which it is I might add!!) and something ought to be blooming well done about it!! that's where you are picking on them!! you don't even know them!! yet there you are 'thinking' for them and assuming you know their inner thoughts!! how rude and nasty you are olTom!! I think you have made yourself look very silly olredTom - the whole office are falling off their chairs after reading your replies - I won't post up their view - this is a family friendly website!! IOT!!

It's things like calling them 'ethnic minority friends of mine' that makes us think you're lying. Everyone else in the real world would refer to them as black not by some weird supposed pc term.
Add to that that they suddenly appeared when you were getting slaughtered for being a racist. The fact that they've got the misfortune of having two of the most stereotypical West Indian names that anyone could think of and that you seem to think that 'ethnic' people sharing your views is somehow a means of acceptance. Some of the most racist people I've met were black & Asian scoffer it's not just idiots with your skin colour that exist you know.

Saying that and let's do them the favour of accepting they could be real people .... I've not once criticised their opinions on here. You're so desperate for me to look like I may have that you're off in the realms of fantasy... the threads above , read it and let me know where I've picked on them , thought for them or know their inner thoughts.

The whole office aren't reading my replies either are they because you have to post in secret as you've said plenty of times before ... Muppet

Lastly the complete hypocrisy of what you write is pathetic. You post rude , aggressive , insulting and nasty comments all over this forum. You even post on stories that have no relation to me whatsoever and yet you whinge about me picking on you and your imaginary colleagues ... as I've said before you're a joke but it's starting to bore us all on here. Where's your support , where's the other people posting their 'sensible & decent' views ?
You're a pathetic lonely bigot with imaginary ethnic friends ... can it get any worse scoffer ?

[quote][p][bold]scoffer[/bold] wrote: You've doubted they could possibly have sensible, decent, views like mine - and that's where it's nasty, you don't know me or Leyroy or Winston - in your eyes that don't exsist!! how insulting can one get ? how silly of you to think that out of a population of 60 odd million that you think it's impossible for two ethnic minority friends of mine to think that the immigration system is in total chaos (which it is I might add!!) and something ought to be blooming well done about it!! that's where you are picking on them!! you don't even know them!! yet there you are 'thinking' for them and assuming you know their inner thoughts!! how rude and nasty you are olTom!! I think you have made yourself look very silly olredTom - the whole office are falling off their chairs after reading your replies - I won't post up their view - this is a family friendly website!! IOT!![/p][/quote]It's things like calling them 'ethnic minority friends of mine' that makes us think you're lying. Everyone else in the real world would refer to them as black not by some weird supposed pc term. Add to that that they suddenly appeared when you were getting slaughtered for being a racist. The fact that they've got the misfortune of having two of the most stereotypical West Indian names that anyone could think of and that you seem to think that 'ethnic' people sharing your views is somehow a means of acceptance. Some of the most racist people I've met were black & Asian scoffer it's not just idiots with your skin colour that exist you know. Saying that and let's do them the favour of accepting they could be real people .... I've not once criticised their opinions on here. You're so desperate for me to look like I may have that you're off in the realms of fantasy... the threads above , read it and let me know where I've picked on them , thought for them or know their inner thoughts. The whole office aren't reading my replies either are they because you have to post in secret as you've said plenty of times before ... Muppet Lastly the complete hypocrisy of what you write is pathetic. You post rude , aggressive , insulting and nasty comments all over this forum. You even post on stories that have no relation to me whatsoever and yet you whinge about me picking on you and your imaginary colleagues ... as I've said before you're a joke but it's starting to bore us all on here. Where's your support , where's the other people posting their 'sensible & decent' views ? You're a pathetic lonely bigot with imaginary ethnic friends ... can it get any worse scoffer ? NastyMrTom

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ron duron says...
8:22am Wed 19 Nov 08

Scoffer:

The missuse of drugs act has been breached again by the poor tortured soul

He's most probably being treated for his illness by some dude who resembles his father pour soul and those demons and the strange drugs he has been mixing are still showing with his words of unreason !

5i: )=

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justine says...
8:48am Wed 19 Nov 08

Ron, I'm starting to suspect you're scoffer. You keep posting the same thing, what on earth are you on about? Have you been on the funny fags yourself or is it just a personality disorder?

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scoffer says...
9:55am Wed 19 Nov 08

Yes Ron - I think your words fit perfectly!! but checking out confused.Tom's post - she's clutching at straws again... if I had used the term black to describe Leyroy and Winston she would have moaned about it and would have tried to push the racist tag again - nice try - but failed (again!!) There are MANY people chatting about this very subject on internet forums all over the U.K. - even the immigration minister Mr. Woolas is NOW saying "we have to talk about these issues as it's the second most popular issue within the communities" - I'd like to know what the 'first' issue is in Mr. Wollas eyes!! perhaps we can get it to number one spot if we carry on like this eh ? rofl!! It's only by having a robust, sensible, chat such matters amongst all of our different races and wonderful different colours that we can find a common ground to discuss such matters... and yes Ron - it could be the men in white coats for confused.Tom she's falling apart on line - very sad!!

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justine says...
10:22am Wed 19 Nov 08

Boring. (I'm doing a scoffer, rofl!)

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NastyMrTom says...
12:42pm Wed 19 Nov 08

scoffer wrote:
Yes Ron - I think your words fit perfectly!! but checking out confused.Tom's post - she's clutching at straws again... if I had used the term black to describe Leyroy and Winston she would have moaned about it and would have tried to push the racist tag again - nice try - but failed (again!!) There are MANY people chatting about this very subject on internet forums all over the U.K. - even the immigration minister Mr. Woolas is NOW saying "we have to talk about these issues as it's the second most popular issue within the communities" - I'd like to know what the 'first' issue is in Mr. Wollas eyes!! perhaps we can get it to number one spot if we carry on like this eh ? rofl!! It's only by having a robust, sensible, chat such matters amongst all of our different races and wonderful different colours that we can find a common ground to discuss such matters... and yes Ron - it could be the men in white coats for confused.Tom she's falling apart on line - very sad!!

Referring to someone as black is not racist. The fact that you think it is shows the ignorance you have on this subject.

It's the chat between you and Ron (LoL , we all know the truth)that shows you're not willing to be sensible at all.

You're not doing a very good job of promoting you're anti-immigration stance at all

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NastyMrTom says...
12:42pm Wed 19 Nov 08

scoffer wrote:
Yes Ron - I think your words fit perfectly!! but checking out confused.Tom's post - she's clutching at straws again... if I had used the term black to describe Leyroy and Winston she would have moaned about it and would have tried to push the racist tag again - nice try - but failed (again!!) There are MANY people chatting about this very subject on internet forums all over the U.K. - even the immigration minister Mr. Woolas is NOW saying "we have to talk about these issues as it's the second most popular issue within the communities" - I'd like to know what the 'first' issue is in Mr. Wollas eyes!! perhaps we can get it to number one spot if we carry on like this eh ? rofl!! It's only by having a robust, sensible, chat such matters amongst all of our different races and wonderful different colours that we can find a common ground to discuss such matters... and yes Ron - it could be the men in white coats for confused.Tom she's falling apart on line - very sad!!

Referring to someone as black is not racist. The fact that you think it is shows the ignorance you have on this subject.

It's the chat between you and Ron (LoL , we all know the truth)that shows you're not willing to be sensible at all.

You're not doing a very good job of promoting you're anti-immigration stance at all

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scoffer says...
3:34pm Wed 19 Nov 08

Boring!!

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NastyMrTom says...
4:47pm Wed 19 Nov 08

Nope ripping you to pieces isn't boring at all ... great fun !!

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scoffer says...
6:12pm Wed 19 Nov 08

Just more crud from the master of spew!!

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ron duron says...
8:25am Thu 20 Nov 08

Scoffer:

A very accurate description to describe his words of hate on this otherwise friendly forum

I wonder if he has been a self harmer all his tortured life ; or perhaps it only started when the drugs took over his shallow mind.

Let's ignore him ; let the proffesionals in his rehab unit wean him off the drugs he has for so long poisioned his body and poor soul

5`ic: )=

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scoffer says...
9:37am Thu 20 Nov 08

Morning Ron!! yes, whilst we are hard at work keeping this great country going (btw how did England get on last night ?) the scroungers in their smelly beds are still there rotting away - plotting and scheming another day of crud disruption!! And yes - let's ignore those with severe hang-ups who stumble onto here failing to make any sort of impact whatsoever!! rofl!! The damage drugs can do Ron is so obvious even to the untrained eye!! a line a day - and all those wacky baccy smokes eventually takes it's toll!! well spotted Ron!! OUR hard taxes are keeping the scroungers - no wonder they support even more scroungers joining in the great British give-away!! SOB!!

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ron duron says...
11:53am Thu 20 Nov 08

Scoffer:

Have you noticed that when that drug induced nasty person with the no name takes a break from here so does justine ?

# Doo doo, doo, dah, da, doo, doo, doo, dah, da, doo, doo, doo, get those feet a tapping Scoffer dude !

6 id: )=

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scoffer says...
1:15pm Thu 20 Nov 08

Yes Ron... Well pointed out... Mmm I guess they could both be attending the same 'medical' unit for their identical problems!! rofl!!

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ron duron says...
8:14am Fri 21 Nov 08

Scoffer:

Did you notice nastyMrTom returned yesterday and so did justine ? Perhaps you are right they are both being treated at the same time and the same clinic for the very same drug fuelled problem ?

Perhaps the chill pills are starting to kick in because they never came back on here again ?

And can we just ignore them and get some # doo wah doo wah do doo do wah wah wah's on our keyboards going ?

At least we are positive and cheerful and not grumpy and nasty because we cannot get the drugs that tortured our sorry souls anymore

7`id2: )=

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justine says...
10:22am Fri 21 Nov 08

Que?

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scoffer says...
1:02pm Fri 21 Nov 08

100% Ron... sorry for ignoring you matey... but Winston showed me another site that i've just had a polite chit-chat with some leftie moron in between blooming work related matters that is getting in the fcuking way!! can you do my orders ? get ya beer later matey!!

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justine says...
4:09pm Fri 21 Nov 08

Ha ha ha. You don't even work. You're unemployed.

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scoffer says...
7:38pm Fri 21 Nov 08

says the resident sponger!! lol

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justine says...
7:50pm Fri 21 Nov 08

You'd know all about it. I work for a living, but I'm lucky enough to have a very well paid job so that I can also afford to do voluntary work. What do you do? Sit on your computer all day long talking to Winston, Leroy and some typing pool bird called Mavis. Face it scoffer, you can pretend to be anything you want on the internet, but when you spend as much time as you do on this, who on earth would employ you?

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scoffer says...
9:20am Sun 23 Nov 08

If you were to spend some time passing sensible replies and comments... instead of your hate filled rants, perhaps someone would employ you to stack the shelves of the local corner shop!! You also seem to stalk me on here for some reason observing and taking notes of everything I have said in past posts... that's not natrual, so there is obviously something very wrong with you!! I'm sure you could some work for S.A.N.E. so please toddle off to the local unit and try help those poor people you have so much in common with!!

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