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Rose Theatre wants £600k a year from Kingston taxpayers


The Rose Theatre is negotiating with Kingston Council for up to £600,000 a year of council taxpayers’ money to “provide sustainable funding”.

The Surrey Comet has learnt that Kingston University and the Arts Council are also being asked to hand over an unspecified portion of the cash.

Theatre chief executive David Fletcher said he had been talking to the council, the university and the Arts Council for some time about “sustainable funding for the future” and said negotiations had “reached an interesting, sensitive point”.

He said: “We’ve done a lot over the past year, but more could be done and we have drawn up a list of things we would like to discuss with them in return for sustainable funding.

“We are talking about quite serious amounts of money but we are giving something serious in exchange.”

The extra cash would pay for more access for young people, help the theatre plan future programming, cultivate sponsors and secure advance box office sales, as well as community work and educational events.

But Mr Fletcher said: “I really don’t know what would happen in the event of a complete climb-down from all three.

“It would be very difficult to even do what we do at the moment.”

The council executive committee will consider the proposal on December 9.

Council leader Derek Osbourne said: “Should we decide to enter into the partnership, the funding will not be a subsidy, but rather in exchange for tangible activities and services which will benefit the community, particularly young people and those normally suffering social exclusion.”

But there is political pressure not to invest any money into the cash-strapped venture.

Labour Councillor Steve Mama said: “The theatre was always going to be a white elephant.

“A public subsidy has always been on the cards from the council or the university, but rather than be upfront and say we want a theatre and will pay for it whatever the cost, the money has been handed out in dribs and drabs.

“I certainly won’t be compelling my constituents to pay for a theatre they will never use.”

Since the Liberal Democrats originally persuaded developers to build the empty shell, Kingston Council has invested £8.4m – made up of a £1.8m loan to the trust, which runs the theatre and £6.8m invested in fitting it out.

The building itself is worth several million pounds more, taking the total public money invested so far to about £11m – equivalent to £7 a year for each household in the borough.

Last August Councillor Osbourne originally pledged to close the public purse strings after handing an extra £250,000 to the Rose fit out.

But in May, the company set up by the council and university to fit out the theatre was forced to ask for an extra £350,000 to pay for cost overruns on doors, wiring and footwells, taking the final price tag to £7.15m, more than £638,000 over the original budget.

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howardfredrics, Hampton Wick says...
5:01am Wed 12 Nov 08

Until Kingston University divests itself from its involvement in the Theatre, I will oppose funding. It should belong exclusively to the community and not be used as a PR vehicle for the University.

Tony from Surbiton, Surbiton says...
9:06am Wed 12 Nov 08

How would you feel if you were an ex-serviceman who had recently been kicked out of one of Kingston Council’s Day Centres that they have been closing, only to see the Council giving yet another massive payout (every year!) to a theatre?

The news comes out just one day after Remembrance Day! Did they actually make the decision on Remembrance Day itself? The priorities of this council are just sick.

ric, kingston says...
10:12am Wed 12 Nov 08

id rather the 600k was spent on some new tarmac. my lap times of the one way system are down nearly a second.


elyob, Surbiton says...
10:16am Wed 12 Nov 08

600k a year is fine, not sure what all the fuss is about. If it keeps it free, that's the important bit. I'd hate them to start charging at the door.

nigel sykes, kingston says...
12:30pm Wed 12 Nov 08

If, as the article says, this money is in exchange for use and will enable our young people to get more involved with the Theatre then is seems a fair exchange. I do sometimes wonder if the people who crticise this ventue have ever stepped inside and seen the fantastic things that are beginning to happen there

1Rosie, Kingston says...
1:00pm Wed 12 Nov 08

The theatre is wonderful and I hope the council will continue to support the work that is being done there - it makes Kingston a special place.

Bethany Birley, Kingston says...
3:13pm Wed 12 Nov 08

Your statistics, Surrey Comet, perhaps are not taking into account the brilliance our new theatre is doing for Kingston.
I would suggest if you wanted to rumour monger then they picked elsewhere.
It is very easy to criticise good work, and work like this is beyond good.
If you worked for the council I am very sorry to hear you lost your job due to underfunding.
I believe the Rose is going to put funds back into Kingston. Theatres are not short term projects.

Amanda Shaw, Kingston upon Thames says...
3:16pm Wed 12 Nov 08

Does anyone who works on the Surrey Comet live in Kingston? The town has been improved immeasurably by the Rose Theatre - no longer is the town centre dominated by the drink and night-club culture. I am sure the 700 or so people who watched Love's Labours Lost last night would agree with me. Having been a resident for 35 years, I think the Rose is an amazing and wonderful place and worth all the money and more that has been spent on it.

Frank Whately, Kingston says...
4:24pm Wed 12 Nov 08

Last night - a dull November evening - nearly 700 people packed into the Rose to watch the brilliant 'Loves Labours Lost' and they were rapt. At 10.30 as the audience came out, Kingston was a measurably brighter place.

Sue Robertson, Kingston says...
6:46pm Wed 12 Nov 08

As a volunteer usher at the Rose, I am rewarded and encouraged every time I work at the Theatre by the smiles and happiness of people as they leave the auditorium after performances. Having a local Theatre which puts on such a wide range of quality productions, bringing national attention to the Borough and significant additional visitors to Kingston is one of the main reasons why I continue to give my time to supporting the Theatre. Whilst unable to comment on the details of the expenditure figures in The Surrey Comet, even at £7 per year per resident, the Theatre as a local resource, bringing both recognition and spending to Borough businesses, would seem to be money well spent.

paulday, Kingston says...
8:51pm Wed 12 Nov 08

Sometimes its important to invest some money to bring a little joy to the town. If the theatre succeeds in becoming a place where young and old come to participate, drink tea and chat or just to listen or watch a performance or two, then its made Kingston a happier place - and then the money is well spent.

John Hackett, Kingston says...
10:54pm Wed 12 Nov 08

Congratulations to Kingston Council for continuing to support the Rose Theatre.  Kingston is a far better place for the existence of the Rose, and £7 a year (assuming your article to be correct) is a very small price to pay for having this national treasure on our own doorstep.  Of course, you can't please all of the people all of the time, and there will always be those who criticise, but the sale of 100,000 tickets in its first 10 months, not to mention the critical acclaim in the national newspapers, is a clear indication that we Kingston residents are fortunate indeed to have such a wonderful resource right here in our own town.  It's just a pity that the Comet, unlike the national press, seems to be intent on providing negative publicity. Good luck to you, Rose - thanks for many many hours of brilliant entertainment over the past 10 months, and long may you bloom.

JanetAirey, Wimbledon says...
9:47am Thu 13 Nov 08

In these days of dumbing-down, the Rose Theatre is a most welcome addition to the local scene. It is wonderful to have Shakespeare performed so well in such a beautiful venue so close to home. It is also an excellent resource for local schools.

Linda Rhead, says...
11:51am Thu 13 Nov 08

In the short period since it opened, the Rose has provided some great productions. It has a repertoire which brings in a wider audience than many comparable theatres. Continuing and extending the appeal to young people and those less likely to be attracted to the theatre is commendable. Kingston should be proud to be supporting such ventures. I would have loved to have access to such a facility and such opportunities for my pupils when I was head of a special school nearby.

Tony from Surbiton, Surbiton says...
4:30pm Thu 13 Nov 08

Unbelievable! The council leader states that it will “benefit the community, particularly young people”. Perhaps this idiot should open his eyes and see what’s going on around him. There are kids who haven’t even got a school place, let alone one near to their home. Is he really suggesting they go to the theatre instead?

Tony from Surbiton, Surbiton says...
4:48pm Thu 13 Nov 08

Ha ha! I see that the Rose Theatre has been writing out to ‘friends’ asking them to send letters of support for the extra £1,800,000 of council tax payer’s cash (on top of the millions already given) to the local press. I thought it was a little odd that there were suddenly so many comments wanting to increase the highest council tax in London to even dizzier heights.

It’s amazing isn’t it, that those who have money, want to be subsidised to go to the theatre by those who have very little money. Shame on you all.

James P, Surbiton says...
6:48pm Thu 13 Nov 08

I can't believe that the theatre is writing to people to send letters of support. The theatre has been a white elephant from day one, not ONE person at the council or theatre can give exact costs for it, or predict any future costs.

We have the West end within a 20 minute train journey, yet the council thinks a theatre to compete with it is a good idea? There are people in this borough in sheltered housing that have damaged ceilings, leaking roofs, broken windows, the list is endless and the leader of the council and the theatre want council tax payers money to go to the theatre. It's a complete joke!

When will the council administration wake up and realise that there are more pressing issues in this borough then a theatre that looks like a warehouse and spends more money then Paris Hilton!

This has to stop! Who is going to be brave from our council and say 'no more funding'?

NKMark, Kingston says...
6:14am Fri 14 Nov 08

How amazing that the council are even considering this. How many libraries and day centres will yet again be under threat when the council plans its budget for 2009 / 10? As Tony from Surbiton says there are children in this borough (both secondary and primary) who don't have a school in the borough. They may grow up uneducated, but at least they won't be culturally impoverished!! This council needs to stop wasting OUR money (e.g. New Malden High Street and this ugly looking carbuncle called The Rose Theatre) and get its priorities right.

SteveC1964, Kingston says...
11:01am Mon 17 Nov 08

£7? - That's more than the price
of 20 bottles of Stella lager at Sainsbury's !

Bethany Birley, Kingston says...
10:38am Wed 26 Nov 08

Shame on yourself Tony, you just blamed the Rose volunteers for lobbying when I see your friends quickly joined behind you.

What you are standing against is a scheme that will make money instead of losing it. Yes, school provision is a problem - granted. How do we get even more money to fund that? Perhaps by giving people of Kingston something to benefit all?

Tony from Surbiton, Surbiton says...
1:11pm Wed 26 Nov 08

Hi Bethany,

Not my friends, just ordinary Council Tax payers.

I'll ask you the obvious question. Why are we paying yet another £1,800,000 over three years to a theatre that will make money? How many years of massive council funding before it makes money? When hell freezes over!

PeterHolmes, Kingston says...
3:45pm Thu 4 Dec 08

Where are our priorities?
Pleasure and entertainment are excellent for the mind and for the soul and not to be neglected but we are baffled by the vast measure of resources that our borough are pouring into the Rose Theatre in Kingston. This, whilst other certain social ills in our community remain virtually unattended with minimal investment. Those at the acute edge of homelessness this winter will be suffering. There are those who will be sleeping rough or else on the back of the patience and good will of others. Many of those taking in the vulnerable and homeless are themselves the very people who can least afford to do so. Especially affected are the men of an age for whom there seems to be no legal obligations to show a care or concern when faced with such adversity.
£600,000 could virtually pay for the establishment of a much needed local night shelter in Kingston for those worst affected. Could I recommend that over the next three years the envisaged 1.8 million for the Rose Theatre be equally divided between the theatre, the homeless and the elderly. That would be a much more civilised affair. Perhaps the Comet would like to take up a real local issue and support a campaign for a local homeless night shelter to assist those most severley affected by homelessness.

Revd Peter Holmes, Vicar of St Peter's, Norbiton with the "garden people" of St Peter's.

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