Kingston parents battling for schools places 'will face trek to Twickenham for face-to-face interviews'

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Kingston parents battling for schools places for their children will have to travel to Twickenham from now on if they want to speak to an official face-to-face.

Under the joint Richmond and Kingston-owned Achieving for Children company, the office will move 11 miles from the Guildhall to a Richmond Council building in Twickenham.

Labour candidates standing in the upcoming local elections on May 22 have criticised the move, saying it will make it difficult for parents.

Labour chairman and Norbiton ward candidate Laurie South said: “Kingston voters are fed up with the Liberal Democrats taking secret decisions behind their backs about such fundamental issues as education.

“Education is too important for this continued bungling and secrecy."

His colleague and Tolworth and Hook Rise Labour candidate Tony Banks claimed there would be job losses as part of the move.

But Councillor David Ryder-Mills, Liberal Democrat lead member for schools, who is also standing in Norbiton on May 22, said: “It’s simply a rationalisation of this service.

“Very few people contact schools admissions in person these days. The vast majority come via email and other such methods.

“If there is a need for people to speak in person then there will be someone to speak to in Kingston.

"If you are contacting by email, letter or telephone then it doesn’t matter where in the borough or the two borough’s that service is located.”

He added: “I’m not aware of any job losses.

"But I am aware that the officer who looks after schools admissions and governor support is now exclusively looking after schools admissions, and we’re currently advertising the role of governor support."

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7:27am Tue 13 May 14

Beverly RA says...

Cllr David Ryder Mills (Lib Dem) must live on a different planet to ordinary working people. What did he say?"It’s simply a rationalisation of this service."
Roll on 22nd May .
Cllr David Ryder Mills (Lib Dem) must live on a different planet to ordinary working people. What did he say?"It’s simply a rationalisation of this service." Roll on 22nd May . Beverly RA
  • Score: -6

7:34am Tue 13 May 14

helen59 says...

Isn't it the case that you would do anything for your child so surely any parent would travel to discuss their child's education.
Isn't it the case that you would do anything for your child so surely any parent would travel to discuss their child's education. helen59
  • Score: 2

9:58am Tue 13 May 14

0753waterloo says...

The quoted section of the headline is not attributed to anyone. Can Mr Logan please clarify.
The quoted section of the headline is not attributed to anyone. Can Mr Logan please clarify. 0753waterloo
  • Score: 8

12:19pm Tue 13 May 14

Tony from Surbiton says...

If they had just built the schools that were needed, nobody need travel anywhere.
If they had just built the schools that were needed, nobody need travel anywhere. Tony from Surbiton
  • Score: -5

1:33pm Tue 13 May 14

captain_shamrock says...

Tony from Surbiton wrote:
If they had just built the schools that were needed, nobody need travel anywhere.
FACT - Thousands of new permanent places successfully delivered from 2010 to 2014. Often in the face of Conservative opposition.

FACT - Our schools are amongst the very best in the country. Electioneering Conservatives are too negative and begrudging to admit, never mind celebrate the fact.

FACT - Not one child has gone without a place. Despite any Tory scaremongering you might hear.

-------

Tony,

if you knew anything about local education, you'd know that the Lib Dems did deliver the school places, more often than not in the face of sustained Conservative opposition.

Do Surbiton parents know that the Conservatives refused to support the majority of the 945 real actual new school places that the Lib Dems delivered from 2009 to 2013? Well parents know now.

The local Lib Dem MP, Ed Davey, was the very first MP to flag up the London schools places increase in Westminster in 2009. His actions, via emergency debates, saw the then Govt going from flat denial to allocating £271M to 34 local authorities in just 9 months.

Ed's actions resulted in £8.2M from this pot coming to Kingston to provide new permanent places. Thousands of new permanent places were delivered. In many cases, the Conservatives objected to Lib Dem plans, but came up with no feasible plans of their own.

To achieve delivery of so many places in such a short time is a real triumph but the *biggest triumph of all* is that, under the Lib Dems, our schools continue to be among the very best in the country. Our primary schools are officially 4th best in the country (out of 152 local authorities).

That's a superb result, and partly explains just why Kingston borough is such a coveted place to live for the many families who come to live here. Well done to the Lib Dems for helping to make it so.

.
[quote][p][bold]Tony from Surbiton[/bold] wrote: If they had just built the schools that were needed, nobody need travel anywhere.[/p][/quote]FACT - Thousands of new permanent places successfully delivered from 2010 to 2014. Often in the face of Conservative opposition. FACT - Our schools are amongst the very best in the country. Electioneering Conservatives are too negative and begrudging to admit, never mind celebrate the fact. FACT - Not one child has gone without a place. Despite any Tory scaremongering you might hear. ------- Tony, if you knew anything about local education, you'd know that the Lib Dems did deliver the school places, more often than not in the face of sustained Conservative opposition. Do Surbiton parents know that the Conservatives refused to support the majority of the 945 real actual new school places that the Lib Dems delivered from 2009 to 2013? Well parents know now. The local Lib Dem MP, Ed Davey, was the very first MP to flag up the London schools places increase in Westminster in 2009. His actions, via emergency debates, saw the then Govt going from flat denial to allocating £271M to 34 local authorities in just 9 months. Ed's actions resulted in £8.2M from this pot coming to Kingston to provide new permanent places. Thousands of new permanent places were delivered. In many cases, the Conservatives objected to Lib Dem plans, but came up with no feasible plans of their own. To achieve delivery of so many places in such a short time is a real triumph but the *biggest triumph of all* is that, under the Lib Dems, our schools continue to be among the very best in the country. Our primary schools are officially 4th best in the country (out of 152 local authorities). That's a superb result, and partly explains just why Kingston borough is such a coveted place to live for the many families who come to live here. Well done to the Lib Dems for helping to make it so. . captain_shamrock
  • Score: 8

1:42pm Tue 13 May 14

captain_shamrock says...

0753waterloo wrote:
The quoted section of the headline is not attributed to anyone. Can Mr Logan please clarify.
I too seriously question the unnecessarily emotive headline attributed to the story.

Exactly what "battle" is the reporter referring to? The battle that local parents and the Lib Dems fought against nimby-stoking Tories to get new school places provided?

.
[quote][p][bold]0753waterloo[/bold] wrote: The quoted section of the headline is not attributed to anyone. Can Mr Logan please clarify.[/p][/quote]I too seriously question the unnecessarily emotive headline attributed to the story. Exactly what "battle" is the reporter referring to? The battle that local parents and the Lib Dems fought against nimby-stoking Tories to get new school places provided? . captain_shamrock
  • Score: 10

2:15pm Tue 13 May 14

helen59 says...

with all these new flats being built there will be an even greater call for school places
with all these new flats being built there will be an even greater call for school places helen59
  • Score: 2

2:37pm Tue 13 May 14

OlBaloney says...

captain_shamrock wrote:
Tony from Surbiton wrote:
If they had just built the schools that were needed, nobody need travel anywhere.
FACT - Thousands of new permanent places successfully delivered from 2010 to 2014. Often in the face of Conservative opposition.

FACT - Our schools are amongst the very best in the country. Electioneering Conservatives are too negative and begrudging to admit, never mind celebrate the fact.

FACT - Not one child has gone without a place. Despite any Tory scaremongering you might hear.

-------

Tony,

if you knew anything about local education, you'd know that the Lib Dems did deliver the school places, more often than not in the face of sustained Conservative opposition.

Do Surbiton parents know that the Conservatives refused to support the majority of the 945 real actual new school places that the Lib Dems delivered from 2009 to 2013? Well parents know now.

The local Lib Dem MP, Ed Davey, was the very first MP to flag up the London schools places increase in Westminster in 2009. His actions, via emergency debates, saw the then Govt going from flat denial to allocating £271M to 34 local authorities in just 9 months.

Ed's actions resulted in £8.2M from this pot coming to Kingston to provide new permanent places. Thousands of new permanent places were delivered. In many cases, the Conservatives objected to Lib Dem plans, but came up with no feasible plans of their own.

To achieve delivery of so many places in such a short time is a real triumph but the *biggest triumph of all* is that, under the Lib Dems, our schools continue to be among the very best in the country. Our primary schools are officially 4th best in the country (out of 152 local authorities).

That's a superb result, and partly explains just why Kingston borough is such a coveted place to live for the many families who come to live here. Well done to the Lib Dems for helping to make it so.

.
The LibDems have been in office for twelve years now. What have they been doing to remedy this situation ?

Apart from blaming the people who are NOT in power, it's clear that they've had not time to deal with this problem.

Get the hopeless LibDems out on 22nd May. It's time for a change of administration.
[quote][p][bold]captain_shamrock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony from Surbiton[/bold] wrote: If they had just built the schools that were needed, nobody need travel anywhere.[/p][/quote]FACT - Thousands of new permanent places successfully delivered from 2010 to 2014. Often in the face of Conservative opposition. FACT - Our schools are amongst the very best in the country. Electioneering Conservatives are too negative and begrudging to admit, never mind celebrate the fact. FACT - Not one child has gone without a place. Despite any Tory scaremongering you might hear. ------- Tony, if you knew anything about local education, you'd know that the Lib Dems did deliver the school places, more often than not in the face of sustained Conservative opposition. Do Surbiton parents know that the Conservatives refused to support the majority of the 945 real actual new school places that the Lib Dems delivered from 2009 to 2013? Well parents know now. The local Lib Dem MP, Ed Davey, was the very first MP to flag up the London schools places increase in Westminster in 2009. His actions, via emergency debates, saw the then Govt going from flat denial to allocating £271M to 34 local authorities in just 9 months. Ed's actions resulted in £8.2M from this pot coming to Kingston to provide new permanent places. Thousands of new permanent places were delivered. In many cases, the Conservatives objected to Lib Dem plans, but came up with no feasible plans of their own. To achieve delivery of so many places in such a short time is a real triumph but the *biggest triumph of all* is that, under the Lib Dems, our schools continue to be among the very best in the country. Our primary schools are officially 4th best in the country (out of 152 local authorities). That's a superb result, and partly explains just why Kingston borough is such a coveted place to live for the many families who come to live here. Well done to the Lib Dems for helping to make it so. .[/p][/quote]The LibDems have been in office for twelve years now. What have they been doing to remedy this situation ? Apart from blaming the people who are NOT in power, it's clear that they've had not time to deal with this problem. Get the hopeless LibDems out on 22nd May. It's time for a change of administration. OlBaloney
  • Score: -3

2:55pm Tue 13 May 14

Beverly RA says...

Was it not Cllr Dennis Doe, who years ago warned the Lib Dems that there was issues with School places and was laughed at by the Lid Dems. Now yet more lies from the lib Dems Blaming the conservatives if true tell us were the minuets of council meeting are so that we can judge for ourselves .
Was it not Cllr Dennis Doe, who years ago warned the Lib Dems that there was issues with School places and was laughed at by the Lid Dems. Now yet more lies from the lib Dems Blaming the conservatives if true tell us were the minuets of council meeting are so that we can judge for ourselves . Beverly RA
  • Score: -3

3:02pm Tue 13 May 14

thefire says...

"Under the joint Richmond and Kingston-owned Achieving for Children company, the office will move 11 miles from the Guildhall to a Richmond Council building in Twickenham."

11 miles? I cycle from Chessington to Twickenham every day and that is only 6.5 miles.

Perhaps I am being stupid but i'm pretty sure it is only about 3 miles from Kingston to Twickenham.
"Under the joint Richmond and Kingston-owned Achieving for Children company, the office will move 11 miles from the Guildhall to a Richmond Council building in Twickenham." 11 miles? I cycle from Chessington to Twickenham every day and that is only 6.5 miles. Perhaps I am being stupid but i'm pretty sure it is only about 3 miles from Kingston to Twickenham. thefire
  • Score: 8

4:34pm Tue 13 May 14

marina68 says...

OlBaloney,

What problem exactly??????
 
Lib Dems first to raise birth rate rise & schools at Westminster.
Check!
 
Money won and school places *delivered* in record time.
Check!

Every kid got a place.
Check!
 
Kingston school results got even better. Now 4th in country!
Check!
 
Defeat of scaremongering Conservatives who refused to support parents get new school places
Check.
 
Can't see much of a problem there.
 
I know who I'll be putting my check against on 22nd May.
The party that *DELIVERS* top performing school places, not the one that scaremongers nimby petitions against them.
OlBaloney, What problem exactly??????   Lib Dems first to raise birth rate rise & schools at Westminster. Check!   Money won and school places *delivered* in record time. Check! Every kid got a place. Check!   Kingston school results got even better. Now 4th in country! Check!   Defeat of scaremongering Conservatives who refused to support parents get new school places Check.   Can't see much of a problem there.   I know who I'll be putting my check against on 22nd May. The party that *DELIVERS* top performing school places, not the one that scaremongers nimby petitions against them. marina68
  • Score: 4

6:38pm Tue 13 May 14

0753waterloo says...

Beverly RA wrote:
Was it not Cllr Dennis Doe, who years ago warned the Lib Dems that there was issues with School places and was laughed at by the Lid Dems. Now yet more lies from the lib Dems Blaming the conservatives if true tell us were the minuets of council meeting are so that we can judge for ourselves .
What lies? Please explain.
[quote][p][bold]Beverly RA[/bold] wrote: Was it not Cllr Dennis Doe, who years ago warned the Lib Dems that there was issues with School places and was laughed at by the Lid Dems. Now yet more lies from the lib Dems Blaming the conservatives if true tell us were the minuets of council meeting are so that we can judge for ourselves .[/p][/quote]What lies? Please explain. 0753waterloo
  • Score: 5

11:04pm Tue 13 May 14

Mr Chipps says...

How sad that the future of school places for the Borough's children is trashed by LibDem spin.

For over 12 years LibDems have been in power in RBK and have pushed through endless housing development especially flats with no provision for infrastructure especially schools.

LibDem locally have been so hostile to new opportunities for delivery of schools especially Free schools and Faith Schools.

Conservatives have raised concerns about safety and planning for school expansions but LibDems have distorted this to opposition to school places per se.

LibDems seek to bludgeon local residents i.e. Surbiton Schools and Surbiton hospital site.

Kingston school success is all about our wonderful teachers and pupils nothing to do with LibDems. Besides take out the Tiffin School results and how does RBK fare??

Get over the politicking and ideology and work for our students.
How sad that the future of school places for the Borough's children is trashed by LibDem spin. For over 12 years LibDems have been in power in RBK and have pushed through endless housing development especially flats with no provision for infrastructure especially schools. LibDem locally have been so hostile to new opportunities for delivery of schools especially Free schools and Faith Schools. Conservatives have raised concerns about safety and planning for school expansions but LibDems have distorted this to opposition to school places per se. LibDems seek to bludgeon local residents i.e. Surbiton Schools and Surbiton hospital site. Kingston school success is all about our wonderful teachers and pupils nothing to do with LibDems. Besides take out the Tiffin School results and how does RBK fare?? Get over the politicking and ideology and work for our students. Mr Chipps
  • Score: -4

11:41pm Tue 13 May 14

RMcGeddon says...

marina68 wrote:
OlBaloney,

What problem exactly??????
 
Lib Dems first to raise birth rate rise & schools at Westminster.
Check!
 
Money won and school places *delivered* in record time.
Check!

Every kid got a place.
Check!
 
Kingston school results got even better. Now 4th in country!
Check!
 
Defeat of scaremongering Conservatives who refused to support parents get new school places
Check.
 
Can't see much of a problem there.
 
I know who I'll be putting my check against on 22nd May.
The party that *DELIVERS* top performing school places, not the one that scaremongers nimby petitions against them.
Check ?


http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-lon
don-27350476


Checkmate !
[quote][p][bold]marina68[/bold] wrote: OlBaloney, What problem exactly??????   Lib Dems first to raise birth rate rise & schools at Westminster. Check!   Money won and school places *delivered* in record time. Check! Every kid got a place. Check!   Kingston school results got even better. Now 4th in country! Check!   Defeat of scaremongering Conservatives who refused to support parents get new school places Check.   Can't see much of a problem there.   I know who I'll be putting my check against on 22nd May. The party that *DELIVERS* top performing school places, not the one that scaremongers nimby petitions against them.[/p][/quote]Check ? http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-lon don-27350476 Checkmate ! RMcGeddon
  • Score: -4

7:02am Wed 14 May 14

captain_shamrock says...

Mr Chipps,

the real actual delivery of 1000's of top performing school places has EVERYTHING to do with politics. It's hard Lib Dem work that was brought us top performing schools, and thousands more of them.

On 3rd March 2009 Lib Dem MP Ed Davey was the first MP to raise the impending need for London school places caused by a massive and hitherto undetected increase in birth rates.

 From Hansard ( http://goo.gl/RlfgOS ):
 
"In the debate, I will seek to show that there is a massive shortage of primary school places across London, beginning with the problems that my own constituents face"
 
Ed was congratulated by MP's of all parties for his work, which forced a U-turn from the schools minister. As a result, 9 months later the Lib Dem MP gained £8.2Million for Kingston school place expansion.
 
For more details read here: http://goo.gl/x6YbF7



.
Mr Chipps, the real actual delivery of 1000's of top performing school places has EVERYTHING to do with politics. It's hard Lib Dem work that was brought us top performing schools, and thousands more of them. On 3rd March 2009 Lib Dem MP Ed Davey was the first MP to raise the impending need for London school places caused by a massive and hitherto undetected increase in birth rates.  From Hansard ( http://goo.gl/RlfgOS ):   "In the debate, I will seek to show that there is a massive shortage of primary school places across London, beginning with the problems that my own constituents face"   Ed was congratulated by MP's of all parties for his work, which forced a U-turn from the schools minister. As a result, 9 months later the Lib Dem MP gained £8.2Million for Kingston school place expansion.   For more details read here: http://goo.gl/x6YbF7 . captain_shamrock
  • Score: 6

7:03am Wed 14 May 14

captain_shamrock says...

Mr Chipps,

the real actual delivery of 1000's of top performing school places has EVERYTHING to do with politics. It's hard Lib Dem work that was brought us top performing schools, and thousands more of them.

On 3rd March 2009 Lib Dem MP Ed Davey was the first MP to raise the impending need for London school places caused by a massive and hitherto undetected increase in birth rates.

 From Hansard ( http://goo.gl/RlfgOS ):
 
"In the debate, I will seek to show that there is a massive shortage of primary school places across London, beginning with the problems that my own constituents face"
 
Ed was congratulated by MP's of all parties for his work, which forced a U-turn from the schools minister. As a result, 9 months later the Lib Dem MP gained £8.2Million for Kingston school place expansion.
 
For more details read here: http://goo.gl/x6YbF7



.
Mr Chipps, the real actual delivery of 1000's of top performing school places has EVERYTHING to do with politics. It's hard Lib Dem work that was brought us top performing schools, and thousands more of them. On 3rd March 2009 Lib Dem MP Ed Davey was the first MP to raise the impending need for London school places caused by a massive and hitherto undetected increase in birth rates.  From Hansard ( http://goo.gl/RlfgOS ):   "In the debate, I will seek to show that there is a massive shortage of primary school places across London, beginning with the problems that my own constituents face"   Ed was congratulated by MP's of all parties for his work, which forced a U-turn from the schools minister. As a result, 9 months later the Lib Dem MP gained £8.2Million for Kingston school place expansion.   For more details read here: http://goo.gl/x6YbF7 . captain_shamrock
  • Score: 4

10:32am Wed 14 May 14

Dog whistle says...

I'm thinking about taking bets on the identity of Captain Shamrock - 11/4 (the same odds that Austria had entering the final of Eurovision as I recall) that the Captain may be found burning the lights late into the night at Ed Davey's office...which may account for the high cost of running the joint!
I do love a good election.
I'm thinking about taking bets on the identity of Captain Shamrock - 11/4 (the same odds that Austria had entering the final of Eurovision as I recall) that the Captain may be found burning the lights late into the night at Ed Davey's office...which may account for the high cost of running the joint! I do love a good election. Dog whistle
  • Score: 0

1:27pm Wed 14 May 14

Beverly RA says...

Ladbrokes dont give money away, check the Odds on their web Site for Kingston election results.
Ladbrokes dont give money away, check the Odds on their web Site for Kingston election results. Beverly RA
  • Score: -1

2:05pm Wed 14 May 14

captain_shamrock says...

"LibDem locally have been so hostile to new opportunities for delivery of schools especially Free schools and Faith Schools." - Kingston Conservative Mr Chipps

Oh dear, how wrong. The simple truth is the Lib Dems have been listening to the wishes of Kingston parents when deciding what type of schools to open.

Three separate consultations:

1. Schools Expansion Programme consultation 2010: Almost all respondents who mentioned faith schools wanted schools that treated admissions equally from ALL faiths (and non-religious).

2. Lime Tree Consultation 2010: Parents reject private company bid to run the school. The key factor was that RBK had 6th best performing primaries in country at that time (Now 4th out of 152 LA's!). The Office OF Schools Adjudicator said that parents' wishes to have the school run by the LA was the key reason that the private bid should be rejected.

3. Kingston Academy Consultation: Again the OSA rejected the religious bid, preferring the joint council/university bid instead. Again based on the strength of consultation results.

As for Michael Gove & the Tories beloved Free Schools ideology?

There's a big fat null points for any parental enthusiasm for schools where
1. Tories want to run schools for profit. Lib Dems believe that schools should be * Run For The Benefit of Childern. Not Shareholders *. Once profit enters the mix, any alleged controls will eventually prove porous, and cash, not education will become the primary concern. The Lib Dems have exposed and blocked Lunatic Gove's plans to allow Tory hedge funds and venture capitalist pals to run OUR schools for THEIR profit:
See independent link: http://ow.ly/wPIvX

2. Tories want unqualified teachers. Teaching is a skill that needs to be learnt. It's pure arrogance to assume that anybody can walk in off the street and teach. Allowing unqualified teachers may be cheaper and may give the private companies more profits, but will ultimately cause standards to drop. One in eight current teachers at Free Schools are not fully qualified. That's dangerous.

Kingston's schools aren't among the very best in the country without reason.On 22nd May, I'll be voting to keep the Michael Gove lunatics from wrecking the great work done here. Great schools is one of the main reasons that people flock to Kingston.

Don't let the Tories wreck it. Vote to keep them out.

.
"LibDem locally have been so hostile to new opportunities for delivery of schools especially Free schools and Faith Schools." - Kingston Conservative Mr Chipps Oh dear, how wrong. The simple truth is the Lib Dems have been listening to the wishes of Kingston parents when deciding what type of schools to open. Three separate consultations: 1. Schools Expansion Programme consultation 2010: Almost all respondents who mentioned faith schools wanted schools that treated admissions equally from ALL faiths (and non-religious). 2. Lime Tree Consultation 2010: Parents reject private company bid to run the school. The key factor was that RBK had 6th best performing primaries in country at that time (Now 4th out of 152 LA's!). The Office OF Schools Adjudicator said that parents' wishes to have the school run by the LA was the key reason that the private bid should be rejected. 3. Kingston Academy Consultation: Again the OSA rejected the religious bid, preferring the joint council/university bid instead. Again based on the strength of consultation results. As for Michael Gove & the Tories beloved Free Schools ideology? There's a big fat null points for any parental enthusiasm for schools where 1. Tories want to run schools for profit. Lib Dems believe that schools should be * Run For The Benefit of Childern. Not Shareholders *. Once profit enters the mix, any alleged controls will eventually prove porous, and cash, not education will become the primary concern. The Lib Dems have exposed and blocked Lunatic Gove's plans to allow Tory hedge funds and venture capitalist pals to run OUR schools for THEIR profit: See independent link: http://ow.ly/wPIvX 2. Tories want unqualified teachers. Teaching is a skill that needs to be learnt. It's pure arrogance to assume that anybody can walk in off the street and teach. Allowing unqualified teachers may be cheaper and may give the private companies more profits, but will ultimately cause standards to drop. One in eight current teachers at Free Schools are not fully qualified. That's dangerous. Kingston's schools aren't among the very best in the country without reason.On 22nd May, I'll be voting to keep the Michael Gove lunatics from wrecking the great work done here. Great schools is one of the main reasons that people flock to Kingston. Don't let the Tories wreck it. Vote to keep them out. . captain_shamrock
  • Score: 7

3:55pm Wed 14 May 14

grace86 says...

The last time the torys ran the schools here we had the biggest class sizes in the country. Now they are really good. I wouldn't trust the torys with schools.
The last time the torys ran the schools here we had the biggest class sizes in the country. Now they are really good. I wouldn't trust the torys with schools. grace86
  • Score: 4

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