Hook Road Arena earmarked for gypsy and traveller site

Hook Road Arena is to be earmarked as a potential site for a gypsy and traveller camp by Epsom Council

Hook Road Arena is to be earmarked as a potential site for a gypsy and traveller camp by Epsom Council

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Hook Road Arena is one of the sites earmarked by Epsom Council for a new permanent gypsy and traveller camp, it has emerged.

Epsom Council is to publish a draft consultation paper on potential sites for new gypsy and traveller accommodation across the borough, to meet the Government's national planning policy.

A council spokesman said the final proposals will be set out in a report, to be considered by the council’s planning policy committee on February 19 - which will be open to the public. 

It has yet to reveal how many extra families or pitches the borough has to accommodate and it is only going to publish the draft report and the list of sites under consideration on Monday, February 10, via its website.

The spokesman said yesterday that "there is nothing to be concerned about", but already worried residents and politicians are raising concerns.

Councillor Sheila Carlson, who represents Court ward, said she was briefed on two of the proposals last week, one of which falls within her ward.

The first, in Stamford Ward, are areas of scrubland near the smart new Manor Park housing development, and the second site would be a portion of Hook Road Arena, in Court ward - which she is completely against.

Coun Carlson said: "Hook Road Arena.  Stand back in amazement on that one.  Would we be covering a section of it in concrete?

"It’s greenbelt.  It’s close to housing.  We also have a certain number of travellers who have settled nearby.  They may or may not have a good relationship with the ones that are going to move in.

"It may well have a financial implication with regards to organisations wanting to carry on renting the arena out.  How would they view it if a portion of it became a permanent gypsy site?  They have lots of events at the arena.  The fireworks display, fairs, boot sales.  It creates revenue for the council."

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Councillor Sheila Carlson, who represents Court ward on Epsom Council

The two existing gypsy and traveller sites in the borough are in Conifer Park, Kiln Lane, Epsom, which has 14 pitches; and Greenlands, Cox Lane, Ewell, which has 16 pitches.

Coun Carlson added: "The difficulty is that, as a borough, we are small and compact and we don’t have spare land to put it on. 

"Wherever you put it, it’s going to be contentious.  No one will be happy to have it near them.  But I do appreciate that we do have to make sites available."

She acknowledged that it is difficult to formulate alternative proposals: "I don’t think any of the ones they have come up with are ideal.  All of them will face opposition.

"Sites proposed will have to be owned by Epsom Council and there are not many that fit the criteria and aren’t greenbelt land or used for anything else.

"Maybe they should be looking at private land.  But who would sell a chunk of their land to the council, for the amount we could pay for it, for a traveller and gypsy site?"

"The council is in a difficult position."

Surrey Comet:

One area of scrubland in and around the Manor Park housing development

Of the Manor Park proposal, Timothy Nathan, chairman of Stamford Ward Residents' Association (SWRA), said: "We are in the process of actively consulting residents for their views.  We will represent those views to the council during the course of the expected public consultation."

Mona Patel, who sits on the SWRA committee, said lots of people had heard about the proposal and are already concerned, with posters appearing at bus stops in Manor Park, making residents aware.

A council spokesman said that it is at an early stage in the process and residents should not be concerned.

He said: "We are aware that this information has been leaked and we don’t want residents to be concerned because, at this stage, there is nothing to be concerned about. "

The spokesman added: "The council is required by national planning policy, introduced by the Government, to go through this process and to identify deliverable sites to meet this need. 

"If we fail to do so we run the risk of increasing illegal encampments and the possibility that inappropriate sites come forward through the planning appeal process.  

"We are testing possible site options and we will be consulting with all our communities on their suitability. 

"This is entirely normal and helps us to ensure the most appropriate sites come forward for whatever use."

Coun Carlson, Labour’s parliamentary candidate for Epsom and Ewell in the 2015 general election, said tensions between residents of the borough and the gypsy and traveller community have surfaced in the past.

She said: "We have traveller families who have settled long-term on the Longmead Estate for example.  They have integrated into the wider community. 

"The ones that are viewed with suspicion are the travelling people who come in and take over a site they are not allowed to take over. 

"The people who are living in their homes have to have an understanding that people want to live in a different way from the rest of us and have rights. 

"And travellers need to understand that people who live in the community in static places also have rights.  There is a distrust between them at the moment. 

"Historically what’s happened with the biggest incursions on totally inappropriate sites is a huge mess has been left behind and things have been broken down to get into."

Contact Mr Nathan by emailing mp@stamfordresidents.org.

What do you think about gypsy and traveller sites in Epsom and Ewell?  Email Hardeep Matharu on the newsdesk on hmatharu@london.newsquest.co.uk or leave a comment below.

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12:26pm Wed 5 Feb 14

sjsunny says...

Great news - just what we need!!!

Next we'll have Nescot threatening that the Traveller's site could be located on their land if we don't agree to their planning application! I really do despair about many things going on and decisions being taken in our borough just now.

Let's hope common sense prevails in this instance!
Great news - just what we need!!! Next we'll have Nescot threatening that the Traveller's site could be located on their land if we don't agree to their planning application! I really do despair about many things going on and decisions being taken in our borough just now. Let's hope common sense prevails in this instance! sjsunny
  • Score: 34

1:09pm Wed 5 Feb 14

EwellMan says...

sjsunny wrote:
Great news - just what we need!!!

Next we'll have Nescot threatening that the Traveller's site could be located on their land if we don't agree to their planning application! I really do despair about many things going on and decisions being taken in our borough just now.

Let's hope common sense prevails in this instance!
Can think of many other more suitable locations. There was a site at the bottom of Kiln Lane hwich seems to have gotten a lot smaller.

What about converting part of the town hall car park into a camp? ideal location and its split into 2 parts so we can keep the second part for the public parking.
[quote][p][bold]sjsunny[/bold] wrote: Great news - just what we need!!! Next we'll have Nescot threatening that the Traveller's site could be located on their land if we don't agree to their planning application! I really do despair about many things going on and decisions being taken in our borough just now. Let's hope common sense prevails in this instance![/p][/quote]Can think of many other more suitable locations. There was a site at the bottom of Kiln Lane hwich seems to have gotten a lot smaller. What about converting part of the town hall car park into a camp? ideal location and its split into 2 parts so we can keep the second part for the public parking. EwellMan
  • Score: 21

7:07pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Tenpindee says...

I wish to propose the Linton's Lane Centre that backs onto the railway and is close to the other site in Kiln Lane. I agree that we have little land but this Council let's
1. rented buildings, for example the house on the Downs go into disrepair;
2. listed brick walls for example King Charles wall in the Langley Vale playground be stolen and fall apart;
3. Run's down toilet's that they subsequently shut and allows housed to be built at bus shelters in Ewell.
So why do we sit and do nothing about it until this kind of news hit's the headlines. I can see the occupiers of these sites paying - rent; council tax; road tax; insurance and be pillars of the community, can't you!! So off to the ironmongers you go to get heavy chains and padlocks that cannot be cut through before planning is written in stone
I wish to propose the Linton's Lane Centre that backs onto the railway and is close to the other site in Kiln Lane. I agree that we have little land but this Council let's 1. rented buildings, for example the house on the Downs go into disrepair; 2. listed brick walls for example King Charles wall in the Langley Vale playground be stolen and fall apart; 3. Run's down toilet's that they subsequently shut and allows housed to be built at bus shelters in Ewell. So why do we sit and do nothing about it until this kind of news hit's the headlines. I can see the occupiers of these sites paying - rent; council tax; road tax; insurance and be pillars of the community, can't you!! So off to the ironmongers you go to get heavy chains and padlocks that cannot be cut through before planning is written in stone Tenpindee
  • Score: 18

7:08pm Wed 5 Feb 14

ticktock says...

What about the car park around the town hall,they have a perfectly nice site at kiln lane,
Oops sorry i forgot most of them was evicted sometime ago.

Epsom's local Government is becoming a joke ,its scary having these people in office look at what they have done to Epsom town center.they are not putting anything back to make it good.

In my eyes they are to blame for the hospitals bad reputation its getting its not a business its a hospital they care for the community,

Shops closing pubs shutting ,tower blocks growing not good

And have a look at the state of the roads most of the roads have been in a bad state for a couple of years now?

Council Taxes going up, but for what the closure of the police station sounds good idea
What about the car park around the town hall,they have a perfectly nice site at kiln lane, Oops sorry i forgot most of them was evicted sometime ago. Epsom's local Government is becoming a joke ,its scary having these people in office look at what they have done to Epsom town center.they are not putting anything back to make it good. In my eyes they are to blame for the hospitals bad reputation its getting its not a business its a hospital they care for the community, Shops closing pubs shutting ,tower blocks growing not good And have a look at the state of the roads most of the roads have been in a bad state for a couple of years now? Council Taxes going up, but for what the closure of the police station sounds good idea ticktock
  • Score: 33

7:52am Thu 6 Feb 14

ticktock says...

Time is ticking save Epsom "tick tock " tick tock ",
i agree with all the above ,

Question should be ask how the local council can get away with what they are doing to Epsom.
Time is ticking save Epsom "tick tock " tick tock ", i agree with all the above , Question should be ask how the local council can get away with what they are doing to Epsom. ticktock
  • Score: 28

9:33am Thu 6 Feb 14

I am not Madonna says...

I doubt this will happen. The environmental agency will stop this I'm sure as it's like a muddy & swampy over there in each field. After flooding issues which have been exacerbated by the balancing ponds not being lined (as they should have been over on the Linden Homes Estate) plus an already existing high water table, this cannot happen. It would be like a permanent Glastonbury on a bad day and concreting it over would cause no end of flooding issues to local residents. I'm sure the council won't want more issues with the Hook flooding than they already have to date. Ridiculous and laughable idea. Just shows the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
I doubt this will happen. The environmental agency will stop this I'm sure as it's like a muddy & swampy over there in each field. After flooding issues which have been exacerbated by the balancing ponds not being lined (as they should have been over on the Linden Homes Estate) plus an already existing high water table, this cannot happen. It would be like a permanent Glastonbury on a bad day and concreting it over would cause no end of flooding issues to local residents. I'm sure the council won't want more issues with the Hook flooding than they already have to date. Ridiculous and laughable idea. Just shows the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. I am not Madonna
  • Score: 20

10:45am Thu 6 Feb 14

I am not Madonna says...

Would be good if photo's could be posted here. I have just walked the dog and the fields are flooded so badly that seagulls are landing and sitting on the water ! Also a woodpecker was spotted over there today by another dog walker ! Wildlife is surely important too !
Would be good if photo's could be posted here. I have just walked the dog and the fields are flooded so badly that seagulls are landing and sitting on the water ! Also a woodpecker was spotted over there today by another dog walker ! Wildlife is surely important too ! I am not Madonna
  • Score: 13

12:20pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Epsom Ian says...

lets be honest here

not wanted not needed

they are travellers, let them travel

away from epsom if at all possible
lets be honest here not wanted not needed they are travellers, let them travel away from epsom if at all possible Epsom Ian
  • Score: 53

12:57pm Thu 6 Feb 14

sjsunny says...

I am not Madonna wrote:
I doubt this will happen. The environmental agency will stop this I'm sure as it's like a muddy & swampy over there in each field. After flooding issues which have been exacerbated by the balancing ponds not being lined (as they should have been over on the Linden Homes Estate) plus an already existing high water table, this cannot happen. It would be like a permanent Glastonbury on a bad day and concreting it over would cause no end of flooding issues to local residents. I'm sure the council won't want more issues with the Hook flooding than they already have to date. Ridiculous and laughable idea. Just shows the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
I absolutely agree with these comments and observations, but sadly, on the basis of recent decisions and proposals, I worry that the 'appropriateness' of the site could be overlooked. Converting public toilets in Ewell village into residential units, near to an area which is prone to flooding is also questionable. If the Environment Agency do put a stop to this, I dread to think where the alternative sites up for consideration will be. I think the views and suggestions of existing residents and business owners need to be listened to.
[quote][p][bold]I am not Madonna[/bold] wrote: I doubt this will happen. The environmental agency will stop this I'm sure as it's like a muddy & swampy over there in each field. After flooding issues which have been exacerbated by the balancing ponds not being lined (as they should have been over on the Linden Homes Estate) plus an already existing high water table, this cannot happen. It would be like a permanent Glastonbury on a bad day and concreting it over would cause no end of flooding issues to local residents. I'm sure the council won't want more issues with the Hook flooding than they already have to date. Ridiculous and laughable idea. Just shows the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.[/p][/quote]I absolutely agree with these comments and observations, but sadly, on the basis of recent decisions and proposals, I worry that the 'appropriateness' of the site could be overlooked. Converting public toilets in Ewell village into residential units, near to an area which is prone to flooding is also questionable. If the Environment Agency do put a stop to this, I dread to think where the alternative sites up for consideration will be. I think the views and suggestions of existing residents and business owners need to be listened to. sjsunny
  • Score: 11

2:44pm Thu 6 Feb 14

EwellMan says...

I would be interested to understand why in 2014 are we paying to house travellers and Gypsies? They can afford 50k weddings and to drive round in brand new mercedes? Surely like most people they could afford to buy a piece of land and apply for planning like every resident has to if they want to extend their houses?

We also as residents pay for "Gypsy Site Management" in our council tax rates. Again something that the residents should not be paying for as they should in a form of a fee called Council tax?????

No wonder the counci lhas no money and keeps lunmping up or council tax each year.
I would be interested to understand why in 2014 are we paying to house travellers and Gypsies? They can afford 50k weddings and to drive round in brand new mercedes? Surely like most people they could afford to buy a piece of land and apply for planning like every resident has to if they want to extend their houses? We also as residents pay for "Gypsy Site Management" in our council tax rates. Again something that the residents should not be paying for as they should in a form of a fee called Council tax????? No wonder the counci lhas no money and keeps lunmping up or council tax each year. EwellMan
  • Score: 42

3:54pm Thu 6 Feb 14

pinky107 says...

not wanted here or anywhere , they just bring trouble wherever they go .
if theyre travellers why do they need a site ? they don't contribute to anything and just degrade the local area .
gypsys are not a race , romany gypsys are , these type of gypsies are more trouble than they are worth .
not wanted here or anywhere , they just bring trouble wherever they go . if theyre travellers why do they need a site ? they don't contribute to anything and just degrade the local area . gypsys are not a race , romany gypsys are , these type of gypsies are more trouble than they are worth . pinky107
  • Score: 39

4:49pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Hove Ex-Pat says...

Worst possible location, & yes it must be green belt. They had a reasonable site on Kiln Lane. What did they do? They systematically wrecked most of the facilities they were given, & then some got council houses.
Worst possible location, & yes it must be green belt. They had a reasonable site on Kiln Lane. What did they do? They systematically wrecked most of the facilities they were given, & then some got council houses. Hove Ex-Pat
  • Score: 28

5:10pm Thu 6 Feb 14

pamandal says...

Maybe Epsom and Ewell Council could house them in the Homeless Shelter that is currently being built on East Street at a cost to us taxpayers and not just in money!! or maybe near to Ccllr Carson home...Not a chance of that happening eh? Epsom Council have a lot to answer for! They have destroyed this lovely market town over the years and they seem to have to answer to no one.As usual they make disgraceful decisions and it is US the local residents that have to live with the consequences.
Maybe Epsom and Ewell Council could house them in the Homeless Shelter that is currently being built on East Street at a cost to us taxpayers and not just in money!! or maybe near to Ccllr Carson home...Not a chance of that happening eh? Epsom Council have a lot to answer for! They have destroyed this lovely market town over the years and they seem to have to answer to no one.As usual they make disgraceful decisions and it is US the local residents that have to live with the consequences. pamandal
  • Score: 14

5:31pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Worried resident! says...

Hardeep - An interesting follow up story to this would be about Conifer Park, one of two current gypsy sites in Epsom.

The Council provided them with facilities to use. Utility facilities, toilets etc and guess what happened?? They were stripped bare!! They stole everything including the lead off the roof! None of them want to live there now because there are no facilities to use and the Council are refusing to replace them so the site isn’t even full to capacity there!!!

Why are they even looking for another piece of land when EXACTLY the same thing is going to happen there and causing all this upset of local residents?? They need to sort out the current sites they have not just provide them with MORE land because they keep stripping their own facilities bare!! Why should hard working Council tax payers keep suffering at the hands of such madness? Wouldn't "normal" people be locked up in jail for such behaviour? Why are these people seemingly above the law and REWARDED for their behaviour with beautiful green belt land??

BOTH sites at Manor Park and Hook Road Arena are completely unsuitable and residents will object accordingly!!
Hardeep - An interesting follow up story to this would be about Conifer Park, one of two current gypsy sites in Epsom. The Council provided them with facilities to use. Utility facilities, toilets etc and guess what happened?? They were stripped bare!! They stole everything including the lead off the roof! None of them want to live there now because there are no facilities to use and the Council are refusing to replace them so the site isn’t even full to capacity there!!! Why are they even looking for another piece of land when EXACTLY the same thing is going to happen there and causing all this upset of local residents?? They need to sort out the current sites they have not just provide them with MORE land because they keep stripping their own facilities bare!! Why should hard working Council tax payers keep suffering at the hands of such madness? Wouldn't "normal" people be locked up in jail for such behaviour? Why are these people seemingly above the law and REWARDED for their behaviour with beautiful green belt land?? BOTH sites at Manor Park and Hook Road Arena are completely unsuitable and residents will object accordingly!! Worried resident!
  • Score: 29

7:29pm Thu 6 Feb 14

robertbrickwood says...

I feel sorry for the residents in the Hook Arena area if travellers move in. I live in Hook close to the Traveller camp in Woodstock Lane South and the travellers there are responsible for a host of activities that greatly endear them (not) to the local residents. I wont waste my breath listing what they get up to because i will be branded a bigot for telling the truth. Suffice it to say anti social behaviour is ingrained in travellers and they revel in annoying everyone outside their community. The council won't do anything because the site is in Elmbridge so not their problem and they leave the local residents to suffer. Complain to the police and they want evidence which is difficult in most cases to provide and they are not interested because they are all too chicken to go into the traveller's camp...much more interested in having fried breakfasts(XL portions) in the cafe by the Lucky Rover in Hook Road - no wonder most of them border on corpulent (i am being kind). Rule No. one and the starting point for the Council is travellers are always right. Rule No. 2 - no matter what don't call the travellers to book or the Council will be branded as racists etc. etc. What do you expect from a council run by the Liberal Democrats who were led for years by a paedophile. They also had Lord Renard in their party ranks who likes to touch up women colleagues. These examples could be the tip of an iceberg.. Not only are they closet Tories who have sold out their supporters by putting the Nasty Party into power they appear to be a party infested with sexual depravity. I detest right wing politics as i do left wing politics but i for one will be voting Conservative henceforth to get rid of these hypocritical Liberal Democrats. Edward Davey rescinding his previous views on Nuclear power when he did a U turn recently is another example of absent morals and laughable disrespect for the intelligence of the electorate. The Liberal Democrats are an utter disgrace and apparently at a moral disadvantage to the travellers, Now that really is the pits
I feel sorry for the residents in the Hook Arena area if travellers move in. I live in Hook close to the Traveller camp in Woodstock Lane South and the travellers there are responsible for a host of activities that greatly endear them (not) to the local residents. I wont waste my breath listing what they get up to because i will be branded a bigot for telling the truth. Suffice it to say anti social behaviour is ingrained in travellers and they revel in annoying everyone outside their community. The council won't do anything because the site is in Elmbridge so not their problem and they leave the local residents to suffer. Complain to the police and they want evidence which is difficult in most cases to provide and they are not interested because they are all too chicken to go into the traveller's camp...much more interested in having fried breakfasts(XL portions) in the cafe by the Lucky Rover in Hook Road - no wonder most of them border on corpulent (i am being kind). Rule No. one and the starting point for the Council is travellers are always right. Rule No. 2 - no matter what don't call the travellers to book or the Council will be branded as racists etc. etc. What do you expect from a council run by the Liberal Democrats who were led for years by a paedophile. They also had Lord Renard in their party ranks who likes to touch up women colleagues. These examples could be the tip of an iceberg.. Not only are they closet Tories who have sold out their supporters by putting the Nasty Party into power they appear to be a party infested with sexual depravity. I detest right wing politics as i do left wing politics but i for one will be voting Conservative henceforth to get rid of these hypocritical Liberal Democrats. Edward Davey rescinding his previous views on Nuclear power when he did a U turn recently is another example of absent morals and laughable disrespect for the intelligence of the electorate. The Liberal Democrats are an utter disgrace and apparently at a moral disadvantage to the travellers, Now that really is the pits robertbrickwood
  • Score: 23

6:57am Fri 7 Feb 14

davemc69 says...

This is stupid, Kiln lane site is not full. So why another one. The site at Kiln lane has been destroyed by its residents. The family that presently live there, will not allow other families on the site and have harrassed and bullied others off the site. They steal from the local shops and bussinesses, the police and council are too afraid to do anything about it.
This is stupid, Kiln lane site is not full. So why another one. The site at Kiln lane has been destroyed by its residents. The family that presently live there, will not allow other families on the site and have harrassed and bullied others off the site. They steal from the local shops and bussinesses, the police and council are too afraid to do anything about it. davemc69
  • Score: 25

8:43pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Epsom Dan says...

I've grown up in Epsom. When i was a young boy gypsies used to terrorize anything they could that being me and my friends. stealing our bikes money hats, beating us up for no reason. No one cared, police certainly didn't do anything and now the council want to turn hook road arena into a gypsy site??

This is out of control they have no respect. I feel sorry for anyone who lives around this area or anyone who has young kids growing up i would be scared to let them out.

All i can say is i hope the people who work at the council have young kids who experience the life i did growing up. Without being out of order this will serve them right.
I've grown up in Epsom. When i was a young boy gypsies used to terrorize anything they could that being me and my friends. stealing our bikes money hats, beating us up for no reason. No one cared, police certainly didn't do anything and now the council want to turn hook road arena into a gypsy site?? This is out of control they have no respect. I feel sorry for anyone who lives around this area or anyone who has young kids growing up i would be scared to let them out. All i can say is i hope the people who work at the council have young kids who experience the life i did growing up. Without being out of order this will serve them right. Epsom Dan
  • Score: 14

9:16pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Lnorman says...

This is ridiculous! I didn't save for months on end to afford to buy a house in this area to be told a year later that round the corner from my house there could be a travellers site. They should save there own money to sort out living not sponge off our taxes which we are paying. It's bad enough we have massive pot holes and flooding (ewell village) been like it for weeks and nothings been done about it and now there's talk of this travellers site.
They chose the lifestyle they live let then sort it out themselves! They won't be paying council tax so why should we be paying our taxes to help them?!?
This is ridiculous! I didn't save for months on end to afford to buy a house in this area to be told a year later that round the corner from my house there could be a travellers site. They should save there own money to sort out living not sponge off our taxes which we are paying. It's bad enough we have massive pot holes and flooding (ewell village) been like it for weeks and nothings been done about it and now there's talk of this travellers site. They chose the lifestyle they live let then sort it out themselves! They won't be paying council tax so why should we be paying our taxes to help them?!? Lnorman
  • Score: 13

11:41pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Liberals are deluded says...

Vile disgusting people who couldn't give a rats ar5e about society or the environment. I don't want these things anywhere near me.
Vile disgusting people who couldn't give a rats ar5e about society or the environment. I don't want these things anywhere near me. Liberals are deluded
  • Score: 16

8:23am Thu 20 Feb 14

Hove Ex-Pat says...

Epsom Dan wrote:
I've grown up in Epsom. When i was a young boy gypsies used to terrorize anything they could that being me and my friends. stealing our bikes money hats, beating us up for no reason. No one cared, police certainly didn't do anything and now the council want to turn hook road arena into a gypsy site??

This is out of control they have no respect. I feel sorry for anyone who lives around this area or anyone who has young kids growing up i would be scared to let them out.

All i can say is i hope the people who work at the council have young kids who experience the life i did growing up. Without being out of order this will serve them right.
Epsom Dan, the "things" that did that to you were not gypsies. They like to pretend that they are, but are anything but. Travellers is one word for them, another rhymes with bikies ( people who like bikes, usually other peoples).
In all other respects you are spot on.
[quote][p][bold]Epsom Dan[/bold] wrote: I've grown up in Epsom. When i was a young boy gypsies used to terrorize anything they could that being me and my friends. stealing our bikes money hats, beating us up for no reason. No one cared, police certainly didn't do anything and now the council want to turn hook road arena into a gypsy site?? This is out of control they have no respect. I feel sorry for anyone who lives around this area or anyone who has young kids growing up i would be scared to let them out. All i can say is i hope the people who work at the council have young kids who experience the life i did growing up. Without being out of order this will serve them right.[/p][/quote]Epsom Dan, the "things" that did that to you were not gypsies. They like to pretend that they are, but are anything but. Travellers is one word for them, another rhymes with bikies ( people who like bikes, usually other peoples). In all other respects you are spot on. Hove Ex-Pat
  • Score: 6

8:20pm Wed 26 Feb 14

p.johnson says...

The council are confused in there policies. A private house in this area gets crucified for something out of the norm. They try to throw all the planning laws at you. Not coinciding with the area. Er yes a load of caravans will look great. Not within a dwelling something or another. Yes the tippers will look grand. Give them space yes just be realistic.If this goes through i will have so much fun if epsom council have a problem with me again.
The council are confused in there policies. A private house in this area gets crucified for something out of the norm. They try to throw all the planning laws at you. Not coinciding with the area. Er yes a load of caravans will look great. Not within a dwelling something or another. Yes the tippers will look grand. Give them space yes just be realistic.If this goes through i will have so much fun if epsom council have a problem with me again. p.johnson
  • Score: 2

7:09am Sat 1 Mar 14

Beverly RA says...

It seems that Residents like the idea of Kiln Lane, Officers should get off their butts and go see, members should take heed of what residents are telling them.
No seat is safe in any Ward.
It seems that Residents like the idea of Kiln Lane, Officers should get off their butts and go see, members should take heed of what residents are telling them. No seat is safe in any Ward. Beverly RA
  • Score: 5

11:35am Mon 3 Mar 14

sjsunny says...

Beverly RA wrote:
It seems that Residents like the idea of Kiln Lane, Officers should get off their butts and go see, members should take heed of what residents are telling them.
No seat is safe in any Ward.
Totally agree Beverly. Same old, same old club of councillors who have become complacent and have adopted a 'they know best' attitude. As a long standing resident of the borough, I increasingly feel that my views and concerns, and those of my fellow residents, are ignored. No seat is safe - perhaps it is time to vote for a complete change and vote these jokers out!
[quote][p][bold]Beverly RA[/bold] wrote: It seems that Residents like the idea of Kiln Lane, Officers should get off their butts and go see, members should take heed of what residents are telling them. No seat is safe in any Ward.[/p][/quote]Totally agree Beverly. Same old, same old club of councillors who have become complacent and have adopted a 'they know best' attitude. As a long standing resident of the borough, I increasingly feel that my views and concerns, and those of my fellow residents, are ignored. No seat is safe - perhaps it is time to vote for a complete change and vote these jokers out! sjsunny
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