Your views: Tesco's plans for Tolworth supermarket, flats and hotel development

Plans: Tesco store, hotel and flats will be discussed by councillors

Plans: Tesco store, hotel and flats will be discussed by councillors

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Tolworth Broadway is split down the middle on Tesco’s plans for a massive new development.

You can add your vote in our poll at the bottom of this article

The Surrey Comet asked 50 people in Tolworth what they thought of the chain’s plans to build a new supermarket, hotel, and flats on the old Toby Jug site near Charrington Bowl.

There were 24 people in favour, 21 against, and five undecided.

Below is what some of them said.

The plans are up for discussion at tonight’s south of the borough committee meeting at 7.30pm, at Southborough High School.

Kingston Council’s development control committee will have the final say on the proposal at a meeting on Friday, February 7 at the Guildhall.

Surrey Comet:

John Harper, 80, retired, from Kingston: “We’re congested enough as it is. Just getting around this round about alone – what are they going to do about it?

“It’s going to be colossal there and there’s no underpass there no nothing. You come here from Ewell, I travel up that way, there’s always a queue there getting round the roundabout.

“When they were doing all this work here [on the Greenway], it was murder, you used to be parked half way down the A3 there.”

Surrey Comet:

Elizabeth Burton, 46, sales assistant, from Tolworth: “I don’t really like the idea, to be honest with you. If they’re going to build anything there they should build a mini mall and bring some of the business from Kingston to here.

“I think it’ll draw a lot more people into this area and I feel that jobs in Tolworth could go there.”

“I think it’s just going to be a highway and it’s already a busy, busy road and we don’t need more traffic or anything like that here.”

Surrey Comet:

Paul Nimoh, 77, retired, from Surbiton: “In my opinion, the area does need it. It’s accessible to get to.

“Traffic wise, even now it is so congested about 5pm it takes about an hour to get through the roundabout. Personally I don’t mind, you’ll get by. I do drive, but I don’t mind.

“The parking on the sides of the roads [at the moment] makes congestion worse, especially in the evening at 5pm.”

Surrey Comet:

Amr Roshdy, 19, student, from Tolworth: “It will be helpful for the population living here and it will give them more choices, a variety of things.”

“It’s organised well here, it’s not chaos at all, it’s good. It’s a bit crowded but it’s organised well – the traffic lights, the bus stops, and everything, so it will not be a problem at all.”

Surrey Comet:

Jeanette Thornton, 74, retired, from West Ewell: “I know a lot of people, my sister in law who lives just down the road, she is very happy because she doesn’t drive and she says it’ll be very handy for her.

“But I know a lot of the local people are against it.

“I’m middling – I’m not for it but I’m not violently against it.”

Surrey Comet:

Vera Lawrence, pensioner, from Tolworth: “It would be so convenient for me and take me 10 minutes to walk there. I don’t think it will [bring more traffic and pollution to the area], because the stuff that’s going to the other Tesco in New Malden will come here, so you won’t get the congestion, it will be spread out more evenly.

“The restaurant and cafe won’t affect me so much, but I might go just for a coffee.

“There’s more variety at Tesco, but I do like M&S and I use it now. I think I’ll continue to go to both of them.”

What do you think? Write to letters@surreycomet.co.uk or vote in our poll below.


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11:59am Wed 15 Jan 14

jayjay289 says...

People complain that their is not enough jobs, this will be a massive boost to the Tolworth economy can you people not see this?? this will bring umpteen jobs and a whole host of other benefits to lets face it a pretty poor economic area. I for one am in favor for this, whats on the toby site at the moment? Nothing just rusting containers and weeds! its about time something was done with this site so yes from me!!! I think its what Tolworth needs!!
People complain that their is not enough jobs, this will be a massive boost to the Tolworth economy can you people not see this?? this will bring umpteen jobs and a whole host of other benefits to lets face it a pretty poor economic area. I for one am in favor for this, whats on the toby site at the moment? Nothing just rusting containers and weeds! its about time something was done with this site so yes from me!!! I think its what Tolworth needs!! jayjay289
  • Score: -5

12:44pm Wed 15 Jan 14

kingstonpaul says...

jayjay289 wrote:
People complain that their is not enough jobs, this will be a massive boost to the Tolworth economy can you people not see this?? this will bring umpteen jobs and a whole host of other benefits to lets face it a pretty poor economic area. I for one am in favor for this, whats on the toby site at the moment? Nothing just rusting containers and weeds! its about time something was done with this site so yes from me!!! I think its what Tolworth needs!!
If the area really does need another supermarket, then it mustn't be Tesco. The notion that another Tesco increases choice is absurd.
[quote][p][bold]jayjay289[/bold] wrote: People complain that their is not enough jobs, this will be a massive boost to the Tolworth economy can you people not see this?? this will bring umpteen jobs and a whole host of other benefits to lets face it a pretty poor economic area. I for one am in favor for this, whats on the toby site at the moment? Nothing just rusting containers and weeds! its about time something was done with this site so yes from me!!! I think its what Tolworth needs!![/p][/quote]If the area really does need another supermarket, then it mustn't be Tesco. The notion that another Tesco increases choice is absurd. kingstonpaul
  • Score: 4

12:49pm Wed 15 Jan 14

jayjay289 says...

weather its tesco, sainsburys, Aldi whoever we still need a economic boost and I dont see any one else rushing to buy and build on the derelict ugly looking land!
weather its tesco, sainsburys, Aldi whoever we still need a economic boost and I dont see any one else rushing to buy and build on the derelict ugly looking land! jayjay289
  • Score: -6

12:56pm Wed 15 Jan 14

captain_shamrock says...

jayjay289 wrote:
People complain that their is not enough jobs, this will be a massive boost to the Tolworth economy can you people not see this?? this will bring umpteen jobs and a whole host of other benefits to lets face it a pretty poor economic area. I for one am in favor for this, whats on the toby site at the moment? Nothing just rusting containers and weeds! its about time something was done with this site so yes from me!!! I think its what Tolworth needs!!
There are no net job gains from these Hypermarkets.

The Tesco jobs will be at the expense of job losses in Tolworth & Surbiton as shops there will be forced to close. And that won't be restricted to food stores only. Tesco sells a massive and ever-increasing share of non-grocery items. And as more local shops close, more people will be forced to drive to Tesco's to shop. It becomes an ever decreasing circle. Tesco's become the winners, and we lose out.

All that that Tesco will give us is an absolute minimum (probably way more) 8% increase in traffic on the Kingston Road at Tolworth.
That inevitably means more congestion, more delays & more air pollution at what is already one of London's most polluted sites. Local residents will spend more in traffic jams.

This site, at a key strategic junction, is just too important to be handed over for a supermarket. London faces a 1 to 2 million population increase over the next 15/20 years. Much, probably most, of that population growth will be in the suburbs, the areas that have had little investment in the infrastructure needed to handle the growth, eg public transport, public buildings. I'd prefer this site to part of a new tram/light rail north-south link going from Sutton/North Cheam or Ruxley direction towards Kingston and beyond. With better public transport, it could become a strategic office park, a mini Canary Wharf or Royal Oak for SW London & Surrey.

TfL is already talking about the need to create a new High Speed rail link around the suburbs in 20 years time in order to prevent the population growth causing the suburbs to get choked by traffic because the suburb's public transport is not up to the job. Wasting strategic sites like this is plain stupid in that context. There's no way this should go ahead.
[quote][p][bold]jayjay289[/bold] wrote: People complain that their is not enough jobs, this will be a massive boost to the Tolworth economy can you people not see this?? this will bring umpteen jobs and a whole host of other benefits to lets face it a pretty poor economic area. I for one am in favor for this, whats on the toby site at the moment? Nothing just rusting containers and weeds! its about time something was done with this site so yes from me!!! I think its what Tolworth needs!![/p][/quote]There are no net job gains from these Hypermarkets. The Tesco jobs will be at the expense of job losses in Tolworth & Surbiton as shops there will be forced to close. And that won't be restricted to food stores only. Tesco sells a massive and ever-increasing share of non-grocery items. And as more local shops close, more people will be forced to drive to Tesco's to shop. It becomes an ever decreasing circle. Tesco's become the winners, and we lose out. All that that Tesco will give us is an absolute minimum (probably way more) 8% increase in traffic on the Kingston Road at Tolworth. That inevitably means more congestion, more delays & more air pollution at what is already one of London's most polluted sites. Local residents will spend more in traffic jams. This site, at a key strategic junction, is just too important to be handed over for a supermarket. London faces a 1 to 2 million population increase over the next 15/20 years. Much, probably most, of that population growth will be in the suburbs, the areas that have had little investment in the infrastructure needed to handle the growth, eg public transport, public buildings. I'd prefer this site to part of a new tram/light rail north-south link going from Sutton/North Cheam or Ruxley direction towards Kingston and beyond. With better public transport, it could become a strategic office park, a mini Canary Wharf or Royal Oak for SW London & Surrey. TfL is already talking about the need to create a new High Speed rail link around the suburbs in 20 years time in order to prevent the population growth causing the suburbs to get choked by traffic because the suburb's public transport is not up to the job. Wasting strategic sites like this is plain stupid in that context. There's no way this should go ahead. captain_shamrock
  • Score: 8

1:06pm Wed 15 Jan 14

jayjay289 says...

to be honest whatever goes on this site some one will be ready to oppose it and will be up in arms... people just need to see the bigger picture and the gains!! yes their will be losses but that is life...
to be honest whatever goes on this site some one will be ready to oppose it and will be up in arms... people just need to see the bigger picture and the gains!! yes their will be losses but that is life... jayjay289
  • Score: -7

1:10pm Wed 15 Jan 14

captain_shamrock says...

jayjay289 wrote:
to be honest whatever goes on this site some one will be ready to oppose it and will be up in arms... people just need to see the bigger picture and the gains!! yes their will be losses but that is life...
What gains?

For every single new Tesco job "created", there will be more than one equivalent job lost in Tolworth and Surbiton town centres.

For every journey you take through or near Tolworth roundabout, you'll be delayed in future.

For every breath you or your children take, there will be more pollution taken in.

If this inappropriate development were ever allowed, it would be regretted in years to come as our local transport grinds to a complete halt, and we have no identifiable means of improving things because strategic sites like this were wasted.

.
[quote][p][bold]jayjay289[/bold] wrote: to be honest whatever goes on this site some one will be ready to oppose it and will be up in arms... people just need to see the bigger picture and the gains!! yes their will be losses but that is life...[/p][/quote]What gains? For every single new Tesco job "created", there will be more than one equivalent job lost in Tolworth and Surbiton town centres. For every journey you take through or near Tolworth roundabout, you'll be delayed in future. For every breath you or your children take, there will be more pollution taken in. If this inappropriate development were ever allowed, it would be regretted in years to come as our local transport grinds to a complete halt, and we have no identifiable means of improving things because strategic sites like this were wasted. . captain_shamrock
  • Score: 7

1:14pm Wed 15 Jan 14

jayjay289 says...

so what should it be then?? a car park?? a tip?? or just an ugly Barron eye sore because you lot are against anything that means change or growth of a community? would you all rather Tolworth was just a a Barron wasteland?? get a grip people!!!
so what should it be then?? a car park?? a tip?? or just an ugly Barron eye sore because you lot are against anything that means change or growth of a community? would you all rather Tolworth was just a a Barron wasteland?? get a grip people!!! jayjay289
  • Score: -3

1:22pm Wed 15 Jan 14

captain_shamrock says...

jayjay289 wrote:
so what should it be then?? a car park?? a tip?? or just an ugly Barron eye sore because you lot are against anything that means change or growth of a community? would you all rather Tolworth was just a a Barron wasteland?? get a grip people!!!
Office Park - South & West London have lost many thousands of jobs as businesses have moved further out into Surrey and the Thames Valley.

If the public transport links were brought up to standard, eg a new tram that linked to the SW mainline at Surbiton and beyond, the site would genuinely attract new jobs to our borough. I'd be prepared to see any such office park grow further into adjoining land towards Cox lane. But the improved North South public transport links would have to be planned first.
[quote][p][bold]jayjay289[/bold] wrote: so what should it be then?? a car park?? a tip?? or just an ugly Barron eye sore because you lot are against anything that means change or growth of a community? would you all rather Tolworth was just a a Barron wasteland?? get a grip people!!![/p][/quote]Office Park - South & West London have lost many thousands of jobs as businesses have moved further out into Surrey and the Thames Valley. If the public transport links were brought up to standard, eg a new tram that linked to the SW mainline at Surbiton and beyond, the site would genuinely attract new jobs to our borough. I'd be prepared to see any such office park grow further into adjoining land towards Cox lane. But the improved North South public transport links would have to be planned first. captain_shamrock
  • Score: 5

1:26pm Wed 15 Jan 14

captain_shamrock says...

kingstonpaul wrote:
jayjay289 wrote:
People complain that their is not enough jobs, this will be a massive boost to the Tolworth economy can you people not see this?? this will bring umpteen jobs and a whole host of other benefits to lets face it a pretty poor economic area. I for one am in favor for this, whats on the toby site at the moment? Nothing just rusting containers and weeds! its about time something was done with this site so yes from me!!! I think its what Tolworth needs!!
If the area really does need another supermarket, then it mustn't be Tesco. The notion that another Tesco increases choice is absurd.
There is no evidence that the area needs any new supermarket.
A 2008 application for a new Aldi's at Ruxley lane, two miles down the road, successfully demonstrated via spending patterns that there was a retail gap in the Ruxley area, but that gap will be filled when Aldi opens in a few months.

Tesco's offering will not plug any retail gap, and its business will be purely at the expense of existing Tolworth and Surbiton shops.
[quote][p][bold]kingstonpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayjay289[/bold] wrote: People complain that their is not enough jobs, this will be a massive boost to the Tolworth economy can you people not see this?? this will bring umpteen jobs and a whole host of other benefits to lets face it a pretty poor economic area. I for one am in favor for this, whats on the toby site at the moment? Nothing just rusting containers and weeds! its about time something was done with this site so yes from me!!! I think its what Tolworth needs!![/p][/quote]If the area really does need another supermarket, then it mustn't be Tesco. The notion that another Tesco increases choice is absurd.[/p][/quote]There is no evidence that the area needs any new supermarket. A 2008 application for a new Aldi's at Ruxley lane, two miles down the road, successfully demonstrated via spending patterns that there was a retail gap in the Ruxley area, but that gap will be filled when Aldi opens in a few months. Tesco's offering will not plug any retail gap, and its business will be purely at the expense of existing Tolworth and Surbiton shops. captain_shamrock
  • Score: 5

2:12pm Wed 15 Jan 14

DB says...

jayjay289 wrote:
to be honest whatever goes on this site some one will be ready to oppose it and will be up in arms... people just need to see the bigger picture and the gains!! yes their will be losses but that is life...
I just can't see any gains. As I said in a previous comment on this development, who is actually going to benefit? Houses in Tolworth may be cheap compared to the surrounding areas, but it is still going to cost up to £500k to buy a semi or £1,500 per month to rent one. How does a £6 per hour shelf stacking job help with those costs.

The site is currently wasteland and an eyesore, but the Broadway is not much better, and this can only get worse if Tesco comes along and takes a share of what little business does pass through there.

More and more people are either shopping online, using their local supermarkets or a combination of both rather than going to these out of town sites, so I can't really see the long term value to Tesco either.
[quote][p][bold]jayjay289[/bold] wrote: to be honest whatever goes on this site some one will be ready to oppose it and will be up in arms... people just need to see the bigger picture and the gains!! yes their will be losses but that is life...[/p][/quote]I just can't see any gains. As I said in a previous comment on this development, who is actually going to benefit? Houses in Tolworth may be cheap compared to the surrounding areas, but it is still going to cost up to £500k to buy a semi or £1,500 per month to rent one. How does a £6 per hour shelf stacking job help with those costs. The site is currently wasteland and an eyesore, but the Broadway is not much better, and this can only get worse if Tesco comes along and takes a share of what little business does pass through there. More and more people are either shopping online, using their local supermarkets or a combination of both rather than going to these out of town sites, so I can't really see the long term value to Tesco either. DB
  • Score: 5

2:46pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Happy59 says...

We don't have a choice. Tesco own the land and having been trying to build on it for a number of years.

I very much doubt we NEED another superstore, on the contrary after the horse meat scandel, and Tesco was a major offender here, I think more and more people are buying locally.

That aside the issue is the postion of this site and the access from the roads thereabouts. The Tolworth roundabout is very slow moving most of the time, it has taken me and thousands of others an hour to get from Ewell to the A3 in the rush hour how much longer will that journey be if a superstore is opened on a major junction.

The pollution levels around Tolworth are some of the worst in London more traffic will only aggreviate this even further. And for what - not the benefit of any local residents but when has that ever been a major concern for the council (Greenway need I say more!)
We don't have a choice. Tesco own the land and having been trying to build on it for a number of years. I very much doubt we NEED another superstore, on the contrary after the horse meat scandel, and Tesco was a major offender here, I think more and more people are buying locally. That aside the issue is the postion of this site and the access from the roads thereabouts. The Tolworth roundabout is very slow moving most of the time, it has taken me and thousands of others an hour to get from Ewell to the A3 in the rush hour how much longer will that journey be if a superstore is opened on a major junction. The pollution levels around Tolworth are some of the worst in London more traffic will only aggreviate this even further. And for what - not the benefit of any local residents but when has that ever been a major concern for the council (Greenway need I say more!) Happy59
  • Score: -3

3:17pm Wed 15 Jan 14

peter1947 says...

jayjay has a lot to say does he work for tesco
jayjay has a lot to say does he work for tesco peter1947
  • Score: 0

3:21pm Wed 15 Jan 14

jayjay289 says...

No I dont work for Tesco!! if you stopped for a moment and thought hmm 5000 jobs a majority going to local people in the area!! is that such a bad thing, the pollution will always be an issue with the dire traffic management on the Tolworth round about and someone some where will always find an issue to moan but just think about the extra income to a much needed pretty dire town!!
No I dont work for Tesco!! if you stopped for a moment and thought hmm 5000 jobs a majority going to local people in the area!! is that such a bad thing, the pollution will always be an issue with the dire traffic management on the Tolworth round about and someone some where will always find an issue to moan but just think about the extra income to a much needed pretty dire town!! jayjay289
  • Score: 1

3:24pm Wed 15 Jan 14

helen59 says...

IF THEY OPEN THIS ONE DOES THAT MEAN THEY WILL CLOSE THE ONE AT NEW MALDEN?
IF THEY OPEN THIS ONE DOES THAT MEAN THEY WILL CLOSE THE ONE AT NEW MALDEN? helen59
  • Score: -5

3:28pm Wed 15 Jan 14

jayjay289 says...

No Helen the new maldon is a Hypermarket this will be similar to the Leatherhead tesco x
No Helen the new maldon is a Hypermarket this will be similar to the Leatherhead tesco x jayjay289
  • Score: 0

4:26pm Wed 15 Jan 14

DB says...

jayjay289 wrote:
No I dont work for Tesco!! if you stopped for a moment and thought hmm 5000 jobs a majority going to local people in the area!! is that such a bad thing, the pollution will always be an issue with the dire traffic management on the Tolworth round about and someone some where will always find an issue to moan but just think about the extra income to a much needed pretty dire town!!
Sorry, did you say 5,000 jobs???

Where the hell are they all going to come from? Surely a mid-sized Tesco like this employs 200 maximum?
[quote][p][bold]jayjay289[/bold] wrote: No I dont work for Tesco!! if you stopped for a moment and thought hmm 5000 jobs a majority going to local people in the area!! is that such a bad thing, the pollution will always be an issue with the dire traffic management on the Tolworth round about and someone some where will always find an issue to moan but just think about the extra income to a much needed pretty dire town!![/p][/quote]Sorry, did you say 5,000 jobs??? Where the hell are they all going to come from? Surely a mid-sized Tesco like this employs 200 maximum? DB
  • Score: 5

4:29pm Wed 15 Jan 14

jayjay289 says...

Start to end process, think about it and stop being so narrow poxy minded!!!
Start to end process, think about it and stop being so narrow poxy minded!!! jayjay289
  • Score: -5

5:04pm Wed 15 Jan 14

pinky107 says...

build a leisure centre on the site and/or a cinema , something useful rather than a nuisance . it would create jobs and keep the shops in tolworth safe
funny how the greenway was finnished then tescos rears iits head again and no notification from kingston council other than Davey .
we dont want a tescos , tolworth will be full of boarded up shops and where will those people work ? not tescos .
there is a tescos in new malden , we have m and s , we have enough coffee shops , we have enough traffic ( worse since that rubbish greenway ) as it is , we have enough pollution . we have kingston a bus ride away . we dont need any more tescos setting up and killing the local area . tescos dont care about communitities they just want our money and sod anything else !!!!!!!!!!!!!
build a leisure centre on the site and/or a cinema , something useful rather than a nuisance . it would create jobs and keep the shops in tolworth safe funny how the greenway was finnished then tescos rears iits head again and no notification from kingston council other than Davey . we dont want a tescos , tolworth will be full of boarded up shops and where will those people work ? not tescos . there is a tescos in new malden , we have m and s , we have enough coffee shops , we have enough traffic ( worse since that rubbish greenway ) as it is , we have enough pollution . we have kingston a bus ride away . we dont need any more tescos setting up and killing the local area . tescos dont care about communitities they just want our money and sod anything else !!!!!!!!!!!!! pinky107
  • Score: 2

5:07pm Wed 15 Jan 14

peter1947 says...

you do have a lot to say jay jay perhaps no you dont work for tesco,but you must have shares, come on dont you really think do need a another tesco in the area.Why not shopping mall,cinema comlex,green area where children can play,why the heck another tesco's.
you do have a lot to say jay jay perhaps no you dont work for tesco,but you must have shares, come on dont you really think do need a another tesco in the area.Why not shopping mall,cinema comlex,green area where children can play,why the heck another tesco's. peter1947
  • Score: 5

5:17pm Wed 15 Jan 14

DB says...

jayjay289 wrote:
Start to end process, think about it and stop being so narrow poxy minded!!!
Was that in response to the jobs question? So, the 5,000 jobs actually includes the building, planning etc etc?

How many jobs will be left at the end of the first year, and what will be the average pay?

I appreciate that you must have some sort of vested interest here, but you still fail to explain what the real benefits are. So far, you have referred to more (temporary) jobs and extra traffic pollution.

Sounds like a winner to me!
[quote][p][bold]jayjay289[/bold] wrote: Start to end process, think about it and stop being so narrow poxy minded!!![/p][/quote]Was that in response to the jobs question? So, the 5,000 jobs actually includes the building, planning etc etc? How many jobs will be left at the end of the first year, and what will be the average pay? I appreciate that you must have some sort of vested interest here, but you still fail to explain what the real benefits are. So far, you have referred to more (temporary) jobs and extra traffic pollution. Sounds like a winner to me! DB
  • Score: 5

5:19pm Wed 15 Jan 14

captain_shamrock says...

All,

if you don't think that Tesco's is the best thing for Tolowrth, then make sure you email your objection to the council.

There's still time (just about!), so encourage your friends and neighbours as well.

There are a lot of very good objections listed here, or you can add your own.

Send your objections by email to development.manageme
nt@rbk.kingston.gov.
uk .

Quote planning application 12/10141 .

** Make sure you include your name and address, and ask for an acknowledgement **
All, if you don't think that Tesco's is the best thing for Tolowrth, then make sure you email your objection to the council. There's still time (just about!), so encourage your friends and neighbours as well. There are a lot of very good objections listed here, or you can add your own. Send your objections by email to development.manageme nt@rbk.kingston.gov. uk . Quote planning application 12/10141 . ** Make sure you include your name and address, and ask for an acknowledgement ** captain_shamrock
  • Score: 7

5:25pm Wed 15 Jan 14

jayjay289 says...

well it dosent matter what i say it wont be good enough for you lot will it!!
well it dosent matter what i say it wont be good enough for you lot will it!! jayjay289
  • Score: -4

6:01pm Wed 15 Jan 14

DB says...

jayjay289 wrote:
well it dosent matter what i say it wont be good enough for you lot will it!!
Probably not, but I am genuinely interested to hear why you think that this plan would provide any benefit to the Tolworth environment/economy rather than sucking the remaining life out of it which is what everyone else seems to think.
[quote][p][bold]jayjay289[/bold] wrote: well it dosent matter what i say it wont be good enough for you lot will it!![/p][/quote]Probably not, but I am genuinely interested to hear why you think that this plan would provide any benefit to the Tolworth environment/economy rather than sucking the remaining life out of it which is what everyone else seems to think. DB
  • Score: 4

7:41pm Wed 15 Jan 14

jayjay289 says...

Ok so firstly they will bring jobs to the town whilst this complex is being built supermarket and hotel, whilst its being built contractors will use local amenities so that will bring a slight economic boost to the area, secondly around 500 + jobs give or take will be created once the complex has been built, yes it may cause disruption tyo local business i.e small trading news agents green grocers etc BUT people will still have a freedom of choice as to where to shop and what they want etc. secondly by having a supermarket along with a hotel it will bring people into the local area, why would a supermarket and a hotel "suck the life" out of a small parade of shops which i do use on a regular basis as i do live nr Tolworth.. I just feel that this could bring new life to Tolworth along with more cash flow into a town that needs it lets be honest and create a nice buzz... yes ok we have Iceland and we have a marks and sparks, i just dont see what the real issue is of having a bit of new life injected into what is an old and small town...
Ok so firstly they will bring jobs to the town whilst this complex is being built supermarket and hotel, whilst its being built contractors will use local amenities so that will bring a slight economic boost to the area, secondly around 500 + jobs give or take will be created once the complex has been built, yes it may cause disruption tyo local business i.e small trading news agents green grocers etc BUT people will still have a freedom of choice as to where to shop and what they want etc. secondly by having a supermarket along with a hotel it will bring people into the local area, why would a supermarket and a hotel "suck the life" out of a small parade of shops which i do use on a regular basis as i do live nr Tolworth.. I just feel that this could bring new life to Tolworth along with more cash flow into a town that needs it lets be honest and create a nice buzz... yes ok we have Iceland and we have a marks and sparks, i just dont see what the real issue is of having a bit of new life injected into what is an old and small town... jayjay289
  • Score: 1

8:38pm Wed 15 Jan 14

peter1947 says...

jay jay dont know what planet your on, your facts are all wrong,have you really not got anything better to do than wave the tesco flag,come on tell me your on tesco's wage bill,shareholder?
jay jay dont know what planet your on, your facts are all wrong,have you really not got anything better to do than wave the tesco flag,come on tell me your on tesco's wage bill,shareholder? peter1947
  • Score: -2

8:40pm Wed 15 Jan 14

jayjay289 says...

Peter, why are you so scared of change?? and so what if I am Tesco shareholder (which im not)
Peter, why are you so scared of change?? and so what if I am Tesco shareholder (which im not) jayjay289
  • Score: -4

9:11pm Wed 15 Jan 14

DB says...

Well, if that is your genuine view, then fine but I don't think that you will change many people's minds.

I just can't see many of those Tesco shoppers popping across to the Broadway and perusing the fine ranges they have got on offer. Instead, all of the remaining shops will go one by one and more pizza takeaways and fired chicken shops will take their place.

Fine if that is want you want, because that is the only outcome, apart from the extra traffic generated as those who live slightly closer to this Tesco than the next one drive into the area to use it.

I have no personal interest as I don't live in Tolworth or ever go there, but I just think it is a shame to kill off what is left of the town.
Well, if that is your genuine view, then fine but I don't think that you will change many people's minds. I just can't see many of those Tesco shoppers popping across to the Broadway and perusing the fine ranges they have got on offer. Instead, all of the remaining shops will go one by one and more pizza takeaways and fired chicken shops will take their place. Fine if that is want you want, because that is the only outcome, apart from the extra traffic generated as those who live slightly closer to this Tesco than the next one drive into the area to use it. I have no personal interest as I don't live in Tolworth or ever go there, but I just think it is a shame to kill off what is left of the town. DB
  • Score: 6

9:16pm Wed 15 Jan 14

jayjay289 says...

I understand what your saying DB but change is change and business is business at the end of the day Tesco own the land and they have done for a few years it has always been and always will be their intentions to build on this, Change happens weather we like it or not, their are pro's and cons to all of this their wil be winners (not just tesco) and their will be losers, no one knows what will happen to the town it will either be the best thing or the worst thing but until that happens no one can finger point and no one can be right or wrong...
I understand what your saying DB but change is change and business is business at the end of the day Tesco own the land and they have done for a few years it has always been and always will be their intentions to build on this, Change happens weather we like it or not, their are pro's and cons to all of this their wil be winners (not just tesco) and their will be losers, no one knows what will happen to the town it will either be the best thing or the worst thing but until that happens no one can finger point and no one can be right or wrong... jayjay289
  • Score: -5

10:33pm Wed 15 Jan 14

DB says...

You are right that Tesco own the land, and I have no doubt it will get built. It takes a very strong community to oppose it and I just don't think Tesco have got that.

Make no mistake, though, it can only be the worst thing that has happened for Tolworrh rather than the best thing. There is no possible benefit for Tolworth from this plan, so there is no point in pretending there might be.
You are right that Tesco own the land, and I have no doubt it will get built. It takes a very strong community to oppose it and I just don't think Tesco have got that. Make no mistake, though, it can only be the worst thing that has happened for Tolworrh rather than the best thing. There is no possible benefit for Tolworth from this plan, so there is no point in pretending there might be. DB
  • Score: 3

12:53pm Thu 16 Jan 14

peterf17 says...

We don't need a Tesco or any other supermarket on this site, but it is criminal that as the owner of the land Tesco are permitted to just sit on this asset indefinitely. Tesco has deep pockets and patience and clearly their strategy is to keep submitting plans until the council and other objectors eventually give in. I know many residents (myself included) whose resistance to the Tesco plans have softened over time purely because the site is now such an eyesore you end up thinking that having something on the site would be better than what is currently there.

The real villain of the piece is the government that sold the land to Tesco without ever offering it for sale on the open market and we're now dealing the consequences of that decision. Perhaps an alternative solution would be for the council to obtain a compulsory purchase order on the land and build something that the borough actually wants/needs such as a leisure centre, swimming pool, cinema etc. with or without an appropriate amount of housing.
We don't need a Tesco or any other supermarket on this site, but it is criminal that as the owner of the land Tesco are permitted to just sit on this asset indefinitely. Tesco has deep pockets and patience and clearly their strategy is to keep submitting plans until the council and other objectors eventually give in. I know many residents (myself included) whose resistance to the Tesco plans have softened over time purely because the site is now such an eyesore you end up thinking that having something on the site would be better than what is currently there. The real villain of the piece is the government that sold the land to Tesco without ever offering it for sale on the open market and we're now dealing the consequences of that decision. Perhaps an alternative solution would be for the council to obtain a compulsory purchase order on the land and build something that the borough actually wants/needs such as a leisure centre, swimming pool, cinema etc. with or without an appropriate amount of housing. peterf17
  • Score: 2

1:21pm Thu 16 Jan 14

kingstonpaul says...

peterf17 wrote:
We don't need a Tesco or any other supermarket on this site, but it is criminal that as the owner of the land Tesco are permitted to just sit on this asset indefinitely. Tesco has deep pockets and patience and clearly their strategy is to keep submitting plans until the council and other objectors eventually give in. I know many residents (myself included) whose resistance to the Tesco plans have softened over time purely because the site is now such an eyesore you end up thinking that having something on the site would be better than what is currently there.

The real villain of the piece is the government that sold the land to Tesco without ever offering it for sale on the open market and we're now dealing the consequences of that decision. Perhaps an alternative solution would be for the council to obtain a compulsory purchase order on the land and build something that the borough actually wants/needs such as a leisure centre, swimming pool, cinema etc. with or without an appropriate amount of housing.
Tesco is sitting on the land because it doesn't want its competitors - in particular Morrissons - getting a toehold in this part of London.
For anyone interested in promoting choice, Tesco or Sainsbury would be an appalling choice.
And as others have pointed out, the much-vaunted economic benefits are illusory. There is no growth in the food market, we're not eating more, we're not spending more. In the absence of growth, a development like this simply displaces jobs and investment from elsewhere.
[quote][p][bold]peterf17[/bold] wrote: We don't need a Tesco or any other supermarket on this site, but it is criminal that as the owner of the land Tesco are permitted to just sit on this asset indefinitely. Tesco has deep pockets and patience and clearly their strategy is to keep submitting plans until the council and other objectors eventually give in. I know many residents (myself included) whose resistance to the Tesco plans have softened over time purely because the site is now such an eyesore you end up thinking that having something on the site would be better than what is currently there. The real villain of the piece is the government that sold the land to Tesco without ever offering it for sale on the open market and we're now dealing the consequences of that decision. Perhaps an alternative solution would be for the council to obtain a compulsory purchase order on the land and build something that the borough actually wants/needs such as a leisure centre, swimming pool, cinema etc. with or without an appropriate amount of housing.[/p][/quote]Tesco is sitting on the land because it doesn't want its competitors - in particular Morrissons - getting a toehold in this part of London. For anyone interested in promoting choice, Tesco or Sainsbury would be an appalling choice. And as others have pointed out, the much-vaunted economic benefits are illusory. There is no growth in the food market, we're not eating more, we're not spending more. In the absence of growth, a development like this simply displaces jobs and investment from elsewhere. kingstonpaul
  • Score: 5

10:41pm Fri 17 Jan 14

KT Resident says...

jayjay289 wrote:
so what should it be then?? a car park?? a tip?? or just an ugly Barron eye sore because you lot are against anything that means change or growth of a community? would you all rather Tolworth was just a a Barron wasteland?? get a grip people!!!
Unfortunately there are people who only worry about what things look like and are too impatient and ignorant to see the bigger picture. I heard the same weak argument about 'looks' from supporters of the flawed Greenway road scheme.

This size of development will have a profound effect on the whole area and it's absolutely right that it should be debated and local residents should have their say as poor planning decisions will affect them and the area for years.

Personally I have no problem with the site being developed, I'm not afraid of change either or that Tesco own the site but the development has to be what the community needs. The current proposal for retail and a mass of stacked up housing isn't what the community needs.
We can tell what the outcome of this development would be and the impact on the existing retail area. There is evidence from these kind of developments all over the country. It wouldn't be good for anyone other than Tescos.

I'd be happy to see this land sit idle and look ugly for another 10 years if it meant that at the end of it the use was a real proper benefit to the area and not just the latest cash windfall for an aggressive supermarket chain.

By the way, the land is supposed to look an eyesore and run down. It's so that people get fed up with it and are sucked into supporting the development and the council is pressured into agreeing to it. It's a tactic Spenhill are using all over the country.
[quote][p][bold]jayjay289[/bold] wrote: so what should it be then?? a car park?? a tip?? or just an ugly Barron eye sore because you lot are against anything that means change or growth of a community? would you all rather Tolworth was just a a Barron wasteland?? get a grip people!!![/p][/quote]Unfortunately there are people who only worry about what things look like and are too impatient and ignorant to see the bigger picture. I heard the same weak argument about 'looks' from supporters of the flawed Greenway road scheme. This size of development will have a profound effect on the whole area and it's absolutely right that it should be debated and local residents should have their say as poor planning decisions will affect them and the area for years. Personally I have no problem with the site being developed, I'm not afraid of change either or that Tesco own the site but the development has to be what the community needs. The current proposal for retail and a mass of stacked up housing isn't what the community needs. We can tell what the outcome of this development would be and the impact on the existing retail area. There is evidence from these kind of developments all over the country. It wouldn't be good for anyone other than Tescos. I'd be happy to see this land sit idle and look ugly for another 10 years if it meant that at the end of it the use was a real proper benefit to the area and not just the latest cash windfall for an aggressive supermarket chain. By the way, the land is supposed to look an eyesore and run down. It's so that people get fed up with it and are sucked into supporting the development and the council is pressured into agreeing to it. It's a tactic Spenhill are using all over the country. KT Resident
  • Score: 7

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