Bar temporarily closed by councillors after Christmas Eve stabbing

Surrey Comet: Barcadia is a popular bar opposite Kingston's most busy nightclub Pryzm Barcadia is a popular bar opposite Kingston's most busy nightclub Pryzm

Barcadia has been closed by councillors after a drinker was stabbed in the neck in the early hours of Christmas Eve.

The emergency licensing committee of Kingston Council withdrew the 130 capacity club's licence after hearing from police that the the level of crime at the venue was out of proportion to its limited size.

The bar's licence will be suspended until a full review has been held some time within 28 days but likely to be after the New Year.

It is the second club closed over the festive period after Essence's licence was also withdrawn following a 30 man brawl.

Councillor Andrew Day, who chaired the hearing, said: "We felt there was a decision on the basis of the alleged things that had happened since April and that we felt they didn't make a strong enough case for just imposing conditions."

The hearing this morning had considered written evidence from town centre Chief Inspector Gary Taylor that the bar, opposite superclub Pryzm, had failed to act on conditions imposed in April.

He said: "Despite the modification on 18th April to its premise licence, Barcadia continues to have excessive levels of crime connected to its operation.

"Also of concern is the lack of compliance with the new conditions.

"On the morning of 15th September 2013, I myself observed the venue failing to operate a document reading and checking machine, as required by condition number 40 on the premise licence."

Barcadia's owner and management were also at the hearing.#

It told clubbers on its Facebook page: "Due to unforseen circumstances Barcadia will be closed from tonight until further notice.

"If you have purchased any New Year's Eve tickets please message us so we can arrange a refund. From all of us here we wish everyone a Happy New Years."

The alleged crimes connected to Barcadia listed by police:

April 19:  Suspect admitted to damaging a vehicle and in interview stated that he had been in Barcadia earlier and would have not committed the damage if he had been sober

April 28: Suspect head butts the victim in the face

May 2: Theft of handbag and contents

May 8: Victim had her mobile phone stolen after leaving Barcadia; it is believed that she was drunk

May 9: Theft of mobile phone whilst inside Barcadia

May 16: Police attend outside the venue where a disturbance is taking place. The suspect pushes the officer and is restrained with the assistance of door security of Oceana Nightclub.

May 31: Assault taking place within Barcadia, where the female victim was punched several times in the face.

June 1: Theft of purse and contents whilst within Barcadia

June 9: Theft of mobile phone

June 15: Theft of mobile phone

July 4: Victim attended Barcadia to collect his drunk wife, whilst inside the venue the victim alleges that he was assaulted by door staff. (CCTV supplied to police was apparently a blank)

July 10: It is alleged that the drunk suspect has thrown a glass/ bottle towards staff. This offence took place outside after the suspect had left Barcadia

July 13: Theft of a mobile phone

July 21: Whilst within the venue the victim alleges that he was punched in the face. It is believed that the victim was drunk at the assault.

August 17: Male detained by door staff after stealing property from five victims whilst inside Barcadia

August 30: Victim alleges that a female spat at his face

August 30: Theft of bag and contents (Victim admits to having “quite a lot to drink”)

September 25: Theft of mobile phone

September 25: Theft of mobile phone

October 7: Both parties who are described as being drunk after leaving Barcadia are involved in a domestic incident within Kingston town centre.

October 13: The suspect was involved in an altercation whilst inside Barcadia and was ejected. On seeing the other party leaving the venue he arms himself with a broken bottle and slashes the arm of the victim, who sustains a 10 inch open wound. Further police officers are required to disperse the crowd.

October 28: Door window of Barcadia damaged by unknown means by believed person who was being ejected from the venue.

November 22: Theft of jacket and mobile phone

December 7: Theft of purse and contents

December 10: Two males who had been in Barcadia earlier are assaulted o/s Kingston BR Station by two males who had also been in Barcadia

December 11: Theft of a jacket

December 20: Male punched in the face whilst within Barcadia

December 24: Male is ‘glassed’ in the neck with a wine glass

Is it fair to close the club? Let us know or email letters@surreycomet.co.uk

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10:01pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Beverly RA says...

Its right that clubs must adhere conditions of operations.
Kingston Councillors are laying down tough ground rules it seems, Break the Conditions and we close you down.
Its right that clubs must adhere conditions of operations. Kingston Councillors are laying down tough ground rules it seems, Break the Conditions and we close you down. Beverly RA

1:58am Tue 31 Dec 13

jajaja says...

we belief that in any other night club the same situation could take place, as being from foreign countries can we see that the drinking mentality in this country is just out of control when having just 1 or2 drinks! We have visited barcadia 7days a week and we can support the fact that the bouncers as well as the staff is very attentive with such issues and do their best in power to solve any kind of situations such as!
there were incidents of threats from drunk guys and those individuals were taken out ASAP and registered in their system also we have been guarded home by a member of staff
I can only repeat they do everything in their power to keep their visitors safe but if drunk people just kick of maybe they should first consider drinking consultation in this country for people that just cant handle the influence of alcohol!!!!
we belief that in any other night club the same situation could take place, as being from foreign countries can we see that the drinking mentality in this country is just out of control when having just 1 or2 drinks! We have visited barcadia 7days a week and we can support the fact that the bouncers as well as the staff is very attentive with such issues and do their best in power to solve any kind of situations such as! there were incidents of threats from drunk guys and those individuals were taken out ASAP and registered in their system also we have been guarded home by a member of staff I can only repeat they do everything in their power to keep their visitors safe but if drunk people just kick of maybe they should first consider drinking consultation in this country for people that just cant handle the influence of alcohol!!!! jajaja

10:25am Tue 31 Dec 13

Bum face says...

Kingston is in need of a huge revamp & review of the way it is of a night , Kingston used to be a really really nice place to visit , you could go & sit by the river & have some food in perfect piece it was a regular for us , now however it seems that Kingston is just troublesome & full of scum !!!! It is such a shame . It's not somewhere we are interested in going anymore, Kingston by nightfall is nothing but trouble & I think the council should be ashamed of there selves for letting it spiral out of control for far to long , to little to late Kingston ...
Kingston is in need of a huge revamp & review of the way it is of a night , Kingston used to be a really really nice place to visit , you could go & sit by the river & have some food in perfect piece it was a regular for us , now however it seems that Kingston is just troublesome & full of scum !!!! It is such a shame . It's not somewhere we are interested in going anymore, Kingston by nightfall is nothing but trouble & I think the council should be ashamed of there selves for letting it spiral out of control for far to long , to little to late Kingston ... Bum face

10:52am Tue 31 Dec 13

emelem says...

jajaja says...

"We have visited barcadia 7days a week"...and..."maybe they should first consider drinking consultation in this country"

hmm, bit of a contradiction there....
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Bum face says...

"Kingston used to be a really really nice place to visit , you could go & sit by the river & have some food in perfect piece(sic)"

i've always wanted to go and explore kingston having ever only gone through once bus bus but because of the bad rep it's developed i won't even go during the day time, let alone night. bit a' shopping and pub going ain't worth getting stabbed....
jajaja says... "We have visited barcadia 7days a week"...and..."maybe they should first consider drinking consultation in this country" hmm, bit of a contradiction there.... ~~~ Bum face says... "Kingston used to be a really really nice place to visit , you could go & sit by the river & have some food in perfect piece(sic)" i've always wanted to go and explore kingston having ever only gone through once bus bus but because of the bad rep it's developed i won't even go during the day time, let alone night. bit a' shopping and pub going ain't worth getting stabbed.... emelem

11:03am Tue 31 Dec 13

kingstonpaul says...

I was a bit shocked to see this litany of crime associated with Barcadia. Although the reality is that there's only so much that a management team can do to keep out the neanderthal element. Only a few weeks ago, I had the misfortune to find myself on a bus full of lads going into Kingston, for whom the only purpose of their visit seemed to be to have a good ruck.
And I'm guessing that Barcadia has unwittingly earnt a bit of a bad boy reputation - and of course, scum attracts scum.
I was a bit shocked to see this litany of crime associated with Barcadia. Although the reality is that there's only so much that a management team can do to keep out the neanderthal element. Only a few weeks ago, I had the misfortune to find myself on a bus full of lads going into Kingston, for whom the only purpose of their visit seemed to be to have a good ruck. And I'm guessing that Barcadia has unwittingly earnt a bit of a bad boy reputation - and of course, scum attracts scum. kingstonpaul

12:54pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Sliqmeister says...

Can people calm down and have some common sense please. I am very familiar with Kingston. Understandably it is up to the bar/club to deal with situation that arise within it but, to expect the bar/club to police Kingston is absurd. When people get drunk and are ejected from bars, what they get up to outside is not the bars responsibility. If they get in a car and drunk drive is the bar/club responsible too?

People will sometime get disorderly after a drink or two but should only be held responsible for their actions. To then shut a club down, even though a tough call is a step too far.

Kingston is a nice town with an edge and having lived and been in and out of it for the last 10 years I can't say it's a bad place. If anything it was worse. It has grown to be a mini-city to rival smaller UK cities and shouldn't be labelled unfairly as full of scums. There are scums everywhere, a few bad apples passing through Kingston does not make it a no-go zone.
Can people calm down and have some common sense please. I am very familiar with Kingston. Understandably it is up to the bar/club to deal with situation that arise within it but, to expect the bar/club to police Kingston is absurd. When people get drunk and are ejected from bars, what they get up to outside is not the bars responsibility. If they get in a car and drunk drive is the bar/club responsible too? People will sometime get disorderly after a drink or two but should only be held responsible for their actions. To then shut a club down, even though a tough call is a step too far. Kingston is a nice town with an edge and having lived and been in and out of it for the last 10 years I can't say it's a bad place. If anything it was worse. It has grown to be a mini-city to rival smaller UK cities and shouldn't be labelled unfairly as full of scums. There are scums everywhere, a few bad apples passing through Kingston does not make it a no-go zone. Sliqmeister

3:18pm Tue 31 Dec 13

chrisdingle says...

I run a private event security company and I have for a number of years worked in security in the licensed trade. Looking down this list it would appear to be the case that there is fault on both sides.

From the clubs perspective glass should not in my opinion be available in a venue with a 3am close full stop. All drinks should be served in plastic cups and bottled drinks equally can be supplied in plastic bottles. This is common practice and shouldn't be an issue.

Thefts unfortunately will always occur in the licensed trade, people will drink and then leave their belongings lying around. It is extremely hard to prevent this without close cooperation with the police and the sharing of intelligence between the club security and the police on individuals likely to be engaged in such activity. This is especially the case in a venue such as Barcadia which is always rammed to the rafters. Perhaps a review of the venue's capacity would also be sensible.

From the police, it always amazes me when they are happy to blame venue's that serve alcohol rather than the people who drink it and then brake the law. Frankly in my experience the Police (while I am sure not intentionally) are very quick to blame and very slow to back up security staff quite often being frankly dismissive and unhelpful. This may not be the case in Kingston but I have seen it regularly in other areas. Clubs and bars have a responsibility not to serve people who appear to be drunk. This is a very fine line, and it is perfectly possible to serve someone quite legitimately who after consuming that drink is much worse for wear.

The fact the someone has been drinking somewhere earlier and then goes and commits a crime does not necessarily make it than venue's fault where they have done their job.

It sounds to me, as if both sides need to work a lot harder and more closely together and need to be a bit more understanding and thoughtful about how they operate.
I run a private event security company and I have for a number of years worked in security in the licensed trade. Looking down this list it would appear to be the case that there is fault on both sides. From the clubs perspective glass should not in my opinion be available in a venue with a 3am close full stop. All drinks should be served in plastic cups and bottled drinks equally can be supplied in plastic bottles. This is common practice and shouldn't be an issue. Thefts unfortunately will always occur in the licensed trade, people will drink and then leave their belongings lying around. It is extremely hard to prevent this without close cooperation with the police and the sharing of intelligence between the club security and the police on individuals likely to be engaged in such activity. This is especially the case in a venue such as Barcadia which is always rammed to the rafters. Perhaps a review of the venue's capacity would also be sensible. From the police, it always amazes me when they are happy to blame venue's that serve alcohol rather than the people who drink it and then brake the law. Frankly in my experience the Police (while I am sure not intentionally) are very quick to blame and very slow to back up security staff quite often being frankly dismissive and unhelpful. This may not be the case in Kingston but I have seen it regularly in other areas. Clubs and bars have a responsibility not to serve people who appear to be drunk. This is a very fine line, and it is perfectly possible to serve someone quite legitimately who after consuming that drink is much worse for wear. The fact the someone has been drinking somewhere earlier and then goes and commits a crime does not necessarily make it than venue's fault where they have done their job. It sounds to me, as if both sides need to work a lot harder and more closely together and need to be a bit more understanding and thoughtful about how they operate. chrisdingle

3:30pm Tue 31 Dec 13

emelem says...

Sliqmeister says...
"People will sometime get disorderly after a drink or two"
please, more like 7 or 8 or more... who has one or two then goes home? the minority, that's who. it goes without saying (although i am), that of course people are responsible for their own actions. but after they have 7 or 8 pints, etc they, unfortunately, lose sight of responsibility. clubs are definitely responsible for not allowing people in who are already intoxicated and they are definitely responsible for serving people who are already intoxicated. clubs/pubs definitely need more strict surveillance of some sort. enough is enough with the theft, physical harm and death!
Sliqmeister says... "People will sometime get disorderly after a drink or two" please, more like 7 or 8 or more... who has one or two then goes home? the minority, that's who. it goes without saying (although i am), that of course people are responsible for their own actions. but after they have 7 or 8 pints, etc they, unfortunately, lose sight of responsibility. clubs are definitely responsible for not allowing people in who are already intoxicated and they are definitely responsible for serving people who are already intoxicated. clubs/pubs definitely need more strict surveillance of some sort. enough is enough with the theft, physical harm and death! emelem

12:06pm Thu 2 Jan 14

DB says...

I definitely agree that the club should have been shut down over the incident and the July event where they were unable to provide CCTV is a disgrace.

However, I am not sure that some of the others can be blamed directly on the club. The general feeling seems to be that a pub/club should not serve someone alcohol if they are visibly intoxicated. Sometimes people can walk and talk just fine but have still had enough alcohol to change their mood to committing some of the violent crimes that have taken place outside this club, especially if they are that way inclined already.
I definitely agree that the club should have been shut down over the incident and the July event where they were unable to provide CCTV is a disgrace. However, I am not sure that some of the others can be blamed directly on the club. The general feeling seems to be that a pub/club should not serve someone alcohol if they are visibly intoxicated. Sometimes people can walk and talk just fine but have still had enough alcohol to change their mood to committing some of the violent crimes that have taken place outside this club, especially if they are that way inclined already. DB

12:15pm Thu 2 Jan 14

DB says...

Regardless of blame, we definitely need to start thinning out the number of these places that exist. Kingston has become a bit of a 'clubbers central' for SW London. It is pulling people in from far and wide and whilst that is positive for the owners of the clubs like this, no one else benefits.

How ridiculous is it that people are starting to think of Kingston upon Thames as a rough, no-go area along the lines of Croydon? It would have been unthinkable 25 years ago.

There have been a few comments on this type of story that even suggest people are now reticent to come to Kingston in the daytime because of the perceived level of violence. Whilst I think this is a complete over-reaction, that is the type of damage that this type of incident is doing to the reputation of the town and that will have knock-on effects on all types of trade that will outweigh the profits of a few WKD-peddlers.

In reality, I think Kingston is a very safe town during the day and is fine at night if you are careful. Obviously if you go into a bar/club like this you are increasing your risk of harm but that is sadly what this type of place has become focussed on in recent years.

What we need is a few more places focussed on people over 21 to balance out the offering a bit more and entice other people back to the town.
Regardless of blame, we definitely need to start thinning out the number of these places that exist. Kingston has become a bit of a 'clubbers central' for SW London. It is pulling people in from far and wide and whilst that is positive for the owners of the clubs like this, no one else benefits. How ridiculous is it that people are starting to think of Kingston upon Thames as a rough, no-go area along the lines of Croydon? It would have been unthinkable 25 years ago. There have been a few comments on this type of story that even suggest people are now reticent to come to Kingston in the daytime because of the perceived level of violence. Whilst I think this is a complete over-reaction, that is the type of damage that this type of incident is doing to the reputation of the town and that will have knock-on effects on all types of trade that will outweigh the profits of a few WKD-peddlers. In reality, I think Kingston is a very safe town during the day and is fine at night if you are careful. Obviously if you go into a bar/club like this you are increasing your risk of harm but that is sadly what this type of place has become focussed on in recent years. What we need is a few more places focussed on people over 21 to balance out the offering a bit more and entice other people back to the town. DB

2:59pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Elif Kacar says...

Omg, Barcadia was my favourite place when i was studying at Kingston university!Actually I was planning to go there next month when I come to LOndon for business. I've never faced with any issue regarding security, this bar has been a Kingston-classic, cant believe it is closed now. So many memories...
Omg, Barcadia was my favourite place when i was studying at Kingston university!Actually I was planning to go there next month when I come to LOndon for business. I've never faced with any issue regarding security, this bar has been a Kingston-classic, cant believe it is closed now. So many memories... Elif Kacar

3:01pm Thu 2 Jan 14

JCPole says...

I'm a regular at Barcadia and I've never witnessed any major trouble, certainly nothing more than what happens at any late night bar. The picture portrayed of Barcadia here is unfair. It's a great bar which is why it's so popular.
I'm a regular at Barcadia and I've never witnessed any major trouble, certainly nothing more than what happens at any late night bar. The picture portrayed of Barcadia here is unfair. It's a great bar which is why it's so popular. JCPole

10:12pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Realist75 says...

What a dive ... Haven't been in there for years. Doesn't look like I've missed much. The place was full of morons back then and you can't swing a cat in there! Forget about the queue to get a drink.
What a dive ... Haven't been in there for years. Doesn't look like I've missed much. The place was full of morons back then and you can't swing a cat in there! Forget about the queue to get a drink. Realist75

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