I heard some people talking about this incident as I was walking my two dogs near Putney Park Lane yesterday evening.

A few months ago I looked out of my bedroom window late in the evening and was horrified to see what looked like two young Pitbull Terriers on the green in front of my house. One was on the lead, but the other, off the lead, was hanging in the air from a tree branch by its jaws, bouncing up and down, while its owners, wearing hooded tops, stood by encouraging it. They then had one hell of a job getting it off the tree branch, and went on their way.
I did not dare go out and confront them.

It sounds as though these were the two dogs involved in the attack on Sunday.

I obviously dare not now walk my dogs in the lane, especially in the dark, until the other loose dog is caught, or the owner identified.
Hopefully the local dog wardens will patrol the area.

Please keep us informed.

Thanks.

Yes there are too many idiots who train their dogs to be aggressive and some to even kill other dogs, cats etc, but that doesn't mean the the 2 dogs that done this attack are the 2 dogs that Amanda Mayo saw on the green in front of her house.

Many dogs love to swing from branches and are not aggressive, you see them playing tug with toys etc, again not aggressive dogs.

I agree that these dangerous dogs should not be on our streets, off the lead and not muzzled, but it is remarks like this that is fueling the hype and making things a lot worse for the decent dog owners who do keep their dogs under control and do train them.

I have a Staffy, she is adorable and a rescue. Although humans have abused her, she is the sweetest, and the best behaved dog I have ever taken on.

Many family pets in Liverpool are now paying the price for what happened at New Year, these haven't done anything wrong, but they are paying the price by being confined in kennels that are not suitable for them with the owners and staff of the kennels who don't understand the breeds.

How would Amanda like if if her dogs were taken the way these dogs were and kept in the same conditions?

Please everyone, don't attack the well behaved and well trained dogs no matter what breed they are.

As to dogs being Pit Bulls, there are several web sites were you can try and guess the Pit Bull, very few people manage to do it.

last night a crowd of youths had two mixed-breed terrier puppies no more that 20 -24 weeks old.

These herberts were winding one of the puppies up, picking it up by it's collar so they were dangling it by the neck - two of them slapping it around and getting it upset and angry. Another of the boys brought their puppy out... and they started slapping both of them with the intention of them fighting each other. Now they are only puppies - they were getting upset and whimpering. They don't respect the animals, the expect them to fight and add to their street cred. Another one earlier this week was lifting his 'terrier' up by the front legs and kneeing him in the chest, the dog was getting hurt and subsequently got so angry and frustrated he proceeded to rip a bush to pieces.

DON'T BLAME THE DOGS, BLAME THE OWNERS and the parents of these children who permit this type of treatment towards an animal.

i have known the person who was attacked for years, and i think it is terrible what has happened to him, he was simply out walking hes fathers dog for him when he was attacked, he has horrific injuries and the emotional scars will never heal, he had to watch hes familys dog get torn to peices by these savage dogs and then had to allow the police to shot her because she was beyond help. now the both my friend and hes father are devastated. the father has lost a compainion with who he became very close since losing hes wife 18months ago. the authorities where aware of the problem before it got to this stage, yet only now do they decide to take action!

The police seem only to respond to attacks by these dogs. I thought they wee ment to get these monsters off our streets. If nothing is done now we will start seeing children being killed again. These people breeding these animals to fight and attack anyone or anything they see should be charged with manslaughter if there animal kill a human being(if it is a banned dog) and with carrying an offensive weapon with intent to do bodily harm if found in possession of a banned dog on our streets.

What happened to **** and ***** on the 21st was too horrific to post here on a site that may be read by small children, suffice to say that ***** suffered beyond words and ****'* wounds, never mind his emotional scars, will be with him until his dying day. We saw him in the A+E an hour after it had happened and i've never seen a man so broken as he was, God love him, his Dad was in total shock, how are those emotional wounds meant to heal? **** was fighting those two dogs for almost half an hour in the hope that he could save his dog - what chance did the poor bloke have? NONE! Those pit-bulls shouldn't have been in existence,let alone on our streets.Why hasn't the ban been enforced properly? Because the police, the RSPCA and the dog handlers have their hands tied by red tape, thats why! Those people work everyday of their lives dreading an incident like this and they work tirelessly to do their job but there is always red tape stopping them. They need and deserve more powers against the owners of these dogs because it is the owners who are at fault, dogs such as the pit-bull is as lethal as a knife! There will be an article in the WBN next Weds featuring ***** and our campaign to raise some money so that she can be laid to rest with the dignity denied her on Sunday. The money will be used to cremate ***** privately and her ashes returned to **** and his Dad and any left over will be used to buy a rose bush and a brass plaque for her garden that she used to play in. If anyone wishes to donate, and please don't feel that you have to,you can read our notice in the Post Office and Martins newsagents at the bottom of Dover House Road and give the money, however small, to the girls in the bakers at the end of the parade. What the family need least of all right now is someone extoling the virtues of owning a pit-bull on here or in their local paper and so if you own one, keep it to yourself for now eh? Thanks. I have spoken to Justine Greening and she has been so helpful and is doing all she can to get something done about these dogs. There are too many people to thank on here but we will get round to it once things have settled a little. Thanks for everyones kind wishes x

Well well well, why am I not surprized at the atrocious attack on this poor man and his dog. It was my neighbours old and sick cat that was ripped to pieces in front of her that was also reported in the same item of news.As I live up P.P.Lane I have become increasingly concerned by the large number of these youths and their dangerous type dogs.I complained months ago as I could see something nasty was going to happen soon.No-one seemed interested.There are many more about other than the two reported about, so please still be careful.I have not walked my dog on the lane for months due to these dogs. I am nervous to even come out of my own front door as the dogs are allowed to roam DoverHouse Estate unmuzzled and off the lead, hence the fate of my neighbours cat. They hang these young dogs high up in the trees to strenghthen their jaws(they are too frightend to let go),I have seen them rolled to the ground and punched round their face and bodies because they didn't come when they were called. These dogs lead a miserable life as do the people who are afraid to go out while they are about. This is going on on The Ashburton Estate/The Alton Estate and I'm sure many other areas.There are female dogs being made to breed litter after litter until they are totally exhausted in high rise flats totally unsuitable for any but a small cat or dog. The Government must step in to upgrade "The Dangerous Dogs Act" and more support given to the Police and RSPCA.Would "WANDSWORTH BOROUGH COUNCIL" please take a leaf out of DUBLIN CITY COUNCIL (to all who are concerned go to their site).It maybe overkill but it benefits everyone in the long run including these long suffering animals. I know two people who are moving because it is no longer "The Safer Borough". I sincerely hope Justine Greening will bring this growing countrywide problem to the attention of Parliament and her own leader. We need to protect all animals both the good and the bad.

To:jalexisjma:- our most sincere condolences go to your neighbour, we will be in touch to offer any help we can,however small.will need to speak to you with regards to what you have witnessed,very important.Justine Greening is working v hard to stop these dogs,ultimately it ends at Parliament but she IS doing her best,trust me.I'll post here when i know more,should be this week.Again,our sympathys go to your neighbour for her tragic and needless loss x

I think these dog should be taken of these yobs and put to sleep. the way theses dogs are being brought up is not fair on the dog them selfs and the other animals and people there attacking. youths these days dont care about the dogs well being just about image.

There are a number of references to the fact that concerns over problems dogs have been reported to the Authorities. The Dover House Estate Residents Association (DHERA) would be very interested in details of any reports which have been made relating to incidents in the Dover House area, so that we can take them up with the authorities concerned.
Please could you post details here or, if you prefer, send them to dhera_sw15@hotmail.c
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To: Family Friend. Thank you for your sympathy. Very willing to provide you with details. Contact is difficult. I suggest we make contact through Justine Greening. If you let her know I will be ringing, perhaps you would give permission for me to have your email address or telephone number and we could talk.

DHERA, To Whom I May Concern,
In reply to your comment, I phoned the Dog Patrol Dept., at Wandsworth Council several months ago concerning the amount of these dogs and youths about. I spoke to the head of the dept. and we had quite a long conversation.It was a couple of months or so after the death of the little girl in Liverpool. As there are many families with small children(some holding the lead of their little pet dog)walking on P.P.Lane, were they going to wait until a child was attacked and killed.(Quite possible in the light of what happened to **** and *****. He basically admitted there was nothing they could do, although they and the RSPCA were well aware of the problem.Its all to do with the proving of the Pitbull plus the measurements etc. I also tried phoning the Police several times but could never get through.
Remember, this problem is not just confined to the Lane, they walk around the streets on the Estate with these dogs running loose.I thought all dogs had by law to be on a lead when on a public road. Why is this not enforced? Notices should be put up along with the no dog fouling signs(which is quite bad now) and heavy fines for anyone caught with a dog off the lead. For the majority of responsible dog owners who do, their own dog is at a distinct disadvantage when approached by another potentially unfriendly loose dog as is the owner.All pitbulls/pitbull types/bull mastiffs/rotteweiler


s/staffies(who are lovely family pets but can be very aggressive to other animals)etc., should be made by law to wear a muzzle.Whats so hard about that? Lets face it,these drugged up youths that hang about all over the place are hardly potential voters,so Wandsworth Council should be worrying about their residents who do vote for them,as they will will slowly sell-up as the whole area goes down the drain.Then who will be left to pay the council taxes.Wandsworth Council was once well respected, not anymore.
Tell them to keep up The dog Patrol and Police presence, as these toe-rags may have gone to ground at the moment, but they will be back, the two dogs that killed the cat and attacked the yorkie have been seen about still. As the Police know who these dogs belong to, they should be seized and put to sleep as they have the taste of blood and this will happen again. God help its not a child.

To the lady who's cat was killed by dogs - I will give my number and e-mail address to Justine tomorrow so please feel free to contact me if you are up to talking about your dreadful ordeal. I fully understand that you may not wish to speak about it therefore maybe an e-mail would be easier? It is entirely up to you. If i'm not available when you call via telephone please leave your number and e-mail address and i will get back to you as soon as possible. Justine is working very hard to address the problem of these dogs on our estates and streets but she answers to a higher body and so will need time to implement the changes we are asking for.Until then may i suggest that any pet owners out there who walk their dog/s or those who have a cat/s be extra vigilante where they are concerned - keep your cat/s in if possible, provide them with a litter tray and dog owners - take them out with others if you can, maybe set up a walking group whereby you meet your friends and or neighbours with their dog/s, take a mobile phone with you if possible. I sincerely hope there is never a repeat of the 21st Oct - no-one should have to lose their beloved dog in that way nor should anyone have to witness such carnege. Stuart of Putney - you are of course entitled to your view and to have your say but there is something i think you need to understand - these dogs are in the wrong hands! The teenagers get them for one reason only - to look tough! If the pup they have is playful, as of course pups are, they are beaten terribly because a playful pup or young dog is not tying in with their image - that of a 'gangster'! They teach their pups and young dogs to be so aggressive, it cannot and will not socialize with any other animal or human - they want their dog to be 100% loyal to them. There is a comment on here from someone who has witnessed first hand the cruelty dealt to these dogs by their teenage handlers,this has to be,and will be, stopped! Taking these pups and dogs away from the yobs and destroying them is not the answer Stuart because the yobs DON'T CARE! They couldn't care less if their pup was taken away from them by the police or the dog handlers, they have no love or respect for that dog as normal people would have and would not go through the courts and our legal system to get that dog back - they'll just go and get another one!!! The first step in our campaign to eradicate the problem of Pit-Bulls and other dangerous dogs on our streets and estates is to look at the owners and their dwellings! The owners are, of course, teenagers or young men / women that do not hold the tenancy of their homes - - their parents do! Therefore, the parents, in the main, KNOW that these dogs and puppies are a banned breed yet allow their children to have the pups in their homes? Also,how are these kids affording the dogs? Pit-Bulls are not cheap and the majority of these kids do not work? Drugs are inevitably involved somewhere in the frame, perhaps the Pit pups are used as currency where there are drugs involved? Since the law was passed that the Pit-Bull,Tossa,Akita etc were banned in this country, the law hasn't been upheld. I have walked past Pit-Bulls in the street, seconds after a community police officer has and they didn't bat an eyelid? That practice needs looking at! Once i have spoken to Justine Greening i will be able to inform you all with regards to the next step. I'd just like to say again if i may, a very,very big thank you to all those kind and generous people who have donated money to Milly's Fund, you have all been so thoughful, bless you. I will let you know in detail how her fund has been spent in the next few weeks and will place a thank you poster in the same places her tribute posters are in.

the dangerous dogs act (1991) banned "fighting dogs"
an exempted registor was kept open, so that owners if they could prove their dog was safe, and would be neutered, tattoes/microchiped, lesh/muzzled in public, the dog would be spared, the act was ammeded to give the judges not the owners the power to regitor the dogs.

the breed banned are.

* american pitbull terrier (of which 6000 have been killed under the act, and there are 1000 currently legaly owned and registored

*tosa (whcich in 1991 there was only one living in the uk, and there had never been any reports of a tosa attacking someone)

*dogo argitino (has never been registored in uk although breed from a, now extict, fighting breed the dog of cordoba, it was to be used in big game hunts, and thus needed to work well as a pack with other dogs, and so dog agression was breed out of it, so it owuld work with other dogs and not fight them. It as only recently been used as a fighting dog( although this is NOT breed standered and are generlay made by back yard breeders) . Also this law was passed by the conservitive goverement, the dogo argentino came from argintina, and I seem to recall thatch b**h who started the falklands war, being conservative as well.)

*fila brasilerio (never been in uk is also a dog used for hunting, however when the Fila finds its quarry it does not attack, but rather holds it at bay until the hunter arrives. and controlling livestock, adn when slavery was legal filas were used to capture slaves and retun them unharmed to their master)

* the law also says it can add other "dog fighting" breeds to be banned, (and as it does not say speificly domestic dog v domestic dog, it could include, domestic dog v wolf breeds souch as irish wolfhound, or domestic dog v fox, such as fox terriers and foxhounds, and considering 2 of those four breeds arent fighting dogs at all, any dog can be added to that list, in italy they have 92 breed listed as officialy dangerous whcih includes breeds like the corgi, border collie, newfoundland, and st bernard)

it says it bans fighting dogs but many breed are still legal such as

*akitas (in the old time japanese people trusted them enouigh to used them as babysitters, although i dont recomend this with ANY breed of dog)

*shar peis (which if you ask someone on the street to describe akitas in one word they would say exotic before dangerous

*irish staffordshire bull terriers (rarely found outside ireland, not to be confused with (english)staffies.

american staffordshire terrier (although not banned, defra does not recomend bringing them into uk, due to the fact they might be mistaked for amercina pitbull terriers

*stafforshire bull terrier (ranked uks most popular terrier, and 5th most popular dog, in olden times was known as the nanny dog becuase of it affection towards humans especialy children. and is one of only 2 breed out of the 190+ reconised by the gb kennel club, that has a breed standered that states its good with children)

NOTE: in america, american pitbull terriers, american stafforshire terriers, and stafforshire bull terriers, are all lumped under pitbulls, so if you see an american thing saying pitbulls, it could be an apbt, amstaff, staffie, or all of them.

the DDA sect 1, and other bsl laws have not, do not, and will not work, for the following reasons.

* It assume all dogs of a certain breed are dangerous, even if the dog is the best behaved in the world, and has passed good canine citizenship test ect.

*it drives resposible owners away from the breed, and enforces the breeds "hard" look so encourages criminal owners to get them.

*many people dont want to be caught with an illegal dog, but also dont want the dog to be distroyed, so they simply abandon the dog.

*on dog attacks it removes resposiblity from the owner, WHERE IT SHOULD BE.

*it implies the breeds not listed do not have to be trained oir socialised my cuzions neibour has a labrador (which isnt on the dangerous breed list in this country, howver in some other places it is), and she never walks it, it has never been trained or socialised, it is not taken to the vets, and stayed on a short chain outside in a tiny shty patio, with no toys, all the time, and growls and barks in an extreamly agressive mannar when someone goes by.
i dread to think what would happen if the dog got loose.

*it implies other dogs are safe be exclusion, which is extreamly dangerous. I was walking with my friends akita, charlie, and this women and 3 five year old kids and a yorkie came out of the shop, and they spoted charlie, and the mother shouted "oh look a teddy" and activly encouarged the kids to rum up to him, and they all started, pulling on his his fur, shouting in his ears, and sticking the yorkie in his face, all without asking me, and then the mother started slapping him across the face and saying this is how you greet a big tedddy dog. Charlie is as soft as anything, and will put up with alot, but if he snaped who would get the blame? and who could get put down?.

* it encouages attacks, after bsl was introduced in germany many owners of the listed breeds (who were mostly responsible owners btw) found themsleve reciveing death threats, being spat on, kicked, and police shooting their dogs infront of their children ect.

*Criminal/iresponsib

le owners simply switch to a new breed. in the 60's the german shepard was the "hard" breed of choice, in the 70's it was the doberman,in the 80's it was the rotweiler, and today its the pitbull, but it could be your breed next (your breed might be a family breed now, but so was the pitbull not too long ago).

*if someone states your dog is of a breed listed, then they do NOT have to prove your guilty, you have to prove that you inocent, if you dont have tonnes of paperwork declaring your dogs breed its time to say bye bye doggy, which goes against the eu human rights law whcih states a person must be presumed inocent untill proven guilty not the other way round

*it treats dog attack victims unfairly, not to long ago a child had her face almost ripped open by a golden retreiver, upon learning that the dog had attacked before the mother requested the dog be put down, the request was denide, now would that happen if it was a listed breed? i dont think so.

*many sized dogs may not have been full vacinated, and diesease can spred quickly through the kennels, not to mention the inadequete care the dogs receive.

*it is etreamly difficult to say if a dogs a listed breed, the guidlines writen by defra are extreamly vague a labrador could be described as 90% pitbull The one thing that really stuck was when they asked an animal control officer to identify several dogs; he claimed they were all Pit or Pit crosses, Rottie or Rottie crosses. Not one was. The dogs were all champions of record and the breeds included a Boxer, a Lab, a Bullmastiff and a couple others. How reliable is this guy when deciding what dog is a Pit or not? Note: this was in a city and not some rural town. Supposedly the city employee knew his breeds.

Where to start i really don't know.Its obvious there is a problem in the area and generally across the uk,mainland europe and the usa.For many people this type of dog looks intimidating, i agree,tugging on the leads with natural drive and determination.Having grown up from the 1970's with pit bulls,leavitts american bulldogs,perro de presa canario and bull mastiffs.EVERY one of these family pets of which one of the pit bulls is a therapy dog working in the London area to this day.I TRULY understand that the youth of today have no value on their own life let alone a dogs or cats.All of mine or family dogs have always shared with cats and immediately submit when another dog or cat approaches,regardles

s. Believe me i and my dog/s have been in a couple of situations when youth has deliberately let dog free of leash to attack a 16year old english mastiff. 65 stitches later and 3 months she passed away so i to have a reason to be very angry at silly little boys and their dogs.PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE spare a thought for the responsible owners of these dogs. I also have a point to make regarding the fact that all or most of these dogs are NOT TRUE PIT BULLS,they are staff mixes which are called Irish staffs on paper or pit bulls to you or i.IN the USA from 1900 up until WW2 the most popular family pet owned by 2 out of 5 households owned a pit bull as a pet.On a daily basis i am heckled by all and sundry for walking my dog just because of its looks.Something has to change and pls regard THE DEED AND NOT THE BREED! PLS remember these dogs have huge capacity and temprament to be great pets,but owned by an idiot and a lab or retriever will become aggressive. STOP THIS TRAGIC SITUATION.

mr smith, i agree and im glad that you have a thera-pit.

but i am slightly offended by the "I TRULY understand that the youth of today have no value on their own life let alone a dogs or cats" remark, as I and my friend are fairly young, but we have always respected animals, and the law, some of us have even taken couses in animal care.

and irish staffs, and american staffs are not the same as anerican pitbulls, even though the names might be used as a cover.

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m for information on many dog breeds and hybrids, and other animals

looking back on that comment i apologise to both you,your friend and other millions of younger people who have pets and treat them as that. its just alittle upsetting to see the animals you have spent over fifty years with being used as a fashion item,but the problem is they have feelings the same way the poor cat that is at the centre of this terrible incident did. thanks i am well aware amstaff,apbt are differing breeds. you must understand there are less than a handful of true apbt stock which can negate blood lines, to see what a true apbt looks like look up fergusons centiped. the dogs of today follow a fashion to be bully like amstaff.i was merely refering to paperwork o these dogs and how the law is bent. by the way go to molosserdogs.com to also find info on particularly these breeds.this is why this argument will go on and on. pls if anyone is experienced dog owner and wants a dog try not to buy and find from shelters.

thanks, i acept the apolgy

Maggie wrote:
Yes there are too many idiots who train their dogs to be aggressive and some to even kill other dogs, cats etc, but that doesn\'t mean the the 2 dogs that done this attack are the 2 dogs that Amanda Mayo saw on the green in front of her house. Many dogs love to swing from branches and are not aggressive, you see them playing tug with toys etc, again not aggressive dogs. I agree that these dangerous dogs should not be on our streets, off the lead and not muzzled, but it is remarks like this that is fueling the hype and making things a lot worse for the decent dog owners who do keep their dogs under control and do train them. I have a Staffy, she is adorable and a rescue. Although humans have abused her, she is the sweetest, and the best behaved dog I have ever taken on. Many family pets in Liverpool are now paying the price for what happened at New Year, these haven\'t done anything wrong, but they are paying the price by being confined in kennels that are not suitable for them with the owners and staff of the kennels who don\'t understand the breeds. How would Amanda like if if her dogs were taken the way these dogs were and kept in the same conditions? Please everyone, don\'t attack the well behaved and well trained dogs no matter what breed they are. As to dogs being Pit Bulls, there are several web sites were you can try and guess the Pit Bull, very few people manage to do it.

I agree that these dangerous dogs should not be on our streets,

i'd say that these dangerous owners shouldnt be on our streets. no dog is born aggressive. throw these bad owners in prison for a long time and help stop the abuse of this wonderful breed. also stop these idiots using these breeds as an extention of their manhood and a weapon to fight their battles. take away their "pitbull" and they are nothing. ban these breeds and they will move onto other breeds, take your pick rotty's, dobermans, alsations.to name but a few. not all people that own these breeds are thugs, i for one am a very responsible stafford owner. a dog is only as good as its owner. these bad owners of these breeds make my blood boil, they are making it very hard for those of us that defend and love all bull terrier breeds. "pitbull" attacks account for 0.1% of dog fatalities that means 99.9% of these dogs never attack, should the 99.9% be held responsible for the 0.1% of "pitbulls" that attack? should my friendly dog be killed because somewhere in the uk a "pitbull" has attacked. punish the deed not the breed.

I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT ME AND MY FIANCEE HAVE OWNED A RESCUED STAFFY THAT WAS A BRILLIANT DOG TO OWN EVEN THOUGH HE HAD BEEN ABUSED BEFORE WE RESCUED HIM FROM BATTERSEA DOGS AND CATS HOME.
NOW WE HAVE A STAFFY CROSS PITBULL AND SHE IS ALSO BRILLIANT. IT IS NOT THE BREED THAT SHOULD BE BANNED BUT THE OWNERS THAT TEACH THESE DOGS TO FIGHT AND BE NASTY. OUR STAFFY CROSS PITBULL IS ANOTHER RESCUE DOG AND WAS ABUSED BEFORE WE RESCUED HER BUT SHE IS NOT NASTY UNLESS SHE IS PROVOKED TO BE E.G. BY SOMEONE THREATNING ME EVEN THOUGH IM NOT SCARED SHE GUARDS ME THATS HOW LOVING THESE BREEDS ARE.
SO TO THE PEOPLE WHO SAY BAN THESE BREEDS I SAY BAN THEM PEOPLE AS THEY DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

I AGREE BAN THE OWNER NOT THE BREED!!!

IN MY EYES BANNING THE BREED SOUNDS LIKE ANIMAL CRUILTY!!!

BAN THESE LOWLIFE HOODLUMS, LITTLE BOYS WHO THINK THERE BIG MEN......THERE THAT HARD THEY NEED DOGS TO PROTECT THEM....WET BLANKETS....PUT THEM LOOSERS DOWN NOT THE DOG IM SICK OF THESE HOOD RATS ITS THAT BAD IVE BEEN PUT OFF BUYING A TRACKSUIT!!!!!

A FREIND OF MINE BOUGHT A CROSS BREED WITH NO CLUE WHAT IT WAS AS IT WAS ADVERISED AS FULL STAFF.

THE DOG IS THE SWEETEST MOST LOVING I HAVE EVER MET!!!

AND NOW SHE IS SCARED TO TAKE IT OUT ON THE STEET INCASE THE POLICE TAKE IT AND PUT IT DOWN, WHAT A SAD WORLD THIS IS!!!!

IT IS SMALL MINDED TO BLAME THE ANIMAL, THEY ARE TRAINED TO BE AGRESSIVE BY THESE LOOSERS!!!

PUT IT LIKE THIS IN THE LAST X AMOUNT OF YEARS IVE HEARD MORE ATTACKS ON CHILDREN/ADULTS/OTHE
R ANIMALS BY ROTTY'S, DOBERMANS, GERMAN SHEPPHERDS AND EVEN THE LITTLE JACK RUSSELS HAVE A NASTY LITTLE TEMPER SO HOW CAN YOU JUSTIFY BANNING THE ONE BREED.......ONE RULE FOR ONE IS IT.

GET REAL PEOPLE ANY ANIMAL COULD ATTACK THATS WHY THERE ANIMALS ITS DOWN TO THE OWNER TO KNOW BETTER!!!

I MIGHT GET A PETITION GOING TO START BANNING OWNERS....ANYONE INTERESTED????

i fully agree as i sit next to my wife, the kids,a 15 year old pit/mastiff cross and a cat someone needs to take a stand for the sake of these lovely but demonised breeds. i agree with u about the tracksuit, i will not buy one for exactly the same reason-lol and im in my sixtys.

em wrote:
mr smith, i agree and im glad that you have a thera-pit.

but i am slightly offended by the "I TRULY understand that the youth of today have no value on their own life let alone a dogs or cats" remark, as I and my friend are fairly young, but we have always respected animals, and the law, some of us have even taken couses in animal care.

and irish staffs, and american staffs are not the same as anerican pitbulls, even though the names might be used as a cover.

vistit dog www.dogbreeedinfo.co


m for information on many dog breeds and hybrids, and other animals

this woman sounds like the only person here who knows what they're talking about. pitbulls are not vicious dogs. the reason the man was attacked is because the dogs were provoked, the same would happen with any dog. make sure you know what you're talking about before you start commenting and judging. and it's not only pitbulls that attack cats. did anyone know that the woman who owned the cat has a pitbull ???

think before you say things.

Dear Anonymous,

As a lifetime dog lover, alas no longer, I blame the owners of these dogs. Dogs are only too willing to please you in any way they can even if your intention is evil. I have not ever owned a dog that was bred initially to fight and kill other dogs for the pleasure of man. These dogs are just dogs but they have the potential to kill and the instinct to persist until they are either killed or kill.

My cat was killed, I believe, for sport. The posters reporting lost cats of which there were legion during the past couple of years in the area of Dover House Road Estate are, since the weekend of 20th-21st October, conspicuous by their absence. Many friends and family who have visited me have remarked on this fact. COINCIDENCE?

Where did you get the specious (false) information that I was the owner of one of these dogs?

My previous post should have read "as a lifetime dog owner and lover..."

to anonymous, you should seriously think before you say things that are untrue!! The owner of the cat in question never has and never will own a pitbull. They do not own any dog. Any owner should be able to control their dogs whatever the circumstances, and not just run off like the pathetic little cowards they are leaving others to deal with a horrific situation. I applaud Wandsworth Council for what they are doing to remedy this horrendous problem, and urge them to keep going down the road they are taking and be at the forefront of the changes that are needed. They know more than most what a big problem it is. To the do gooders who think it is anti-dog, on the contrary, it is in the interest of the safety of their constiuents and the welfare of the poor dogs that live with these brainless idiots. They are not out to punish ordinary dog owners. Just lead the way to caring and responsible ownership. Whats wrong with that?

jalexis wrote:
to anonymous, you should seriously think before you say things that are untrue!! The owner of the cat in question never has and never will own a pitbull. They do not own any dog. Any owner should be able to control their dogs whatever the circumstances, and not just run off like the pathetic little cowards they are leaving others to deal with a horrific situation. I applaud Wandsworth Council for what they are doing to remedy this horrendous problem, and urge them to keep going down the road they are taking and be at the forefront of the changes that are needed. They know more than most what a big problem it is. To the do gooders who think it is anti-dog, on the contrary, it is in the interest of the safety of their constiuents and the welfare of the poor dogs that live with these brainless idiots. They are not out to punish ordinary dog owners. Just lead the way to caring and responsible ownership. Whats wrong with that?

I am shocked and apualed by wandsworth's council, to propose adding more breeds for breed specific legislation (BSL).

as this article shows
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I am even more apualed at the fact steve maynar, apears to have done little or no reasearch.

""The problem is that just about anyone can own a dog. Most of the problems we have today are caused by young people aged between 13 and 17 who keep these menacing dogs yet have no understanding of the responsibilities of ownership."

1. Since the protection of animals act (1911), it has been illegal for a person under 12 to buy a live animal, When the animal welfare act (2006) came in, it made it illegaly for a person under 16 to buy a live animal.

2. As a fairly young-ish person myself, i feel the notion of young people not being aware of responsibilities and only getting dogs to be menacing, incredably offensive, and steryotypical. I have done courses in animal care / manegement, and have worked in catteries, dog grooming, and vets. I am fully aware of responsibilities, and the five freedoms etc, and i would never use any animal as a threat.

"Given the money that people are prepared to spend on these dogs I really don't see why we should not be looking at a licence fee of around £500."

although people would probably expect to pay this much for a dog from a reputable breeder. People do get dogs from rescue homes, these come fairly cheaply and are often vaccinated, neutered, microchiped, and health checked (in my opinion rescue dogs should get priority)

"Only four breeds are covered by the Dangerous Dogs Act – the Pit Bull Terrier, Japanese Tosa, Dogo Argentino and Fila Braziliera. Most problems with fighting dogs involve Staffordshire Bull Terriers, Bull Mastiffs, Douge De Bordeaux and Rotweillers which are excluded."

can someone please tell mr maynar, that the majority of the breeds he listed are NOT fighting breeds.

dogo argentino was bred for big game hunting in packs

fila braziliera was bred for guarding and tracking (when slavery was legal the fila was used to track down escaped slaves and bring them back to the master, UNHARMED)

bull mastiff was bred to track down, tackle, and hold poachers, WITHOUT biting

I am not entierly sure what the dogue de bordeax was bred for

rotweillers were bred to protect and drive cattle ( I don't think people would have bred dogs to be "mad, vicious, and uncontrolable. if they wanted to have them round their livestock).


the american pitbull terrier, japanese tosa, and staffordshire bull terrier are fighting BREEDS, but that does not mean a dog that is american pitbull terrier, japanese tosa, and staffordshire bull terrier, is a fighting DOG.

eg: my friend has a staffie, which was originally bred for fighting, and so would be a fighting BREED. but he has been socialised and trained, and is never used for fighting, so is not a fighting DOG.

the dangerous dogs act (1991) as ammended (1997), and other BSL laws, did not, do not, and will not work... because of the following reasons.

* It assume all dogs of a certain breed are dangerous, even if the dog is the best behaved in the world, and has passed good canine citizenship test ect.

*it drives resposible owners away from the breed, and enforces the breeds "hard" look so encourages criminal owners to get them.

*many people dont want to be caught with an illegal dog, but also dont want the dog to be distroyed, so they simply abandon the dog (the breed that tops the shelter dog list is the staffie, there are more staffies in shelters, than any other breed, including the "mixed breed"breed

*on dog attacks it removes resposiblity from the owner, WHERE IT SHOULD ALWAYS BE.

*it implies the breeds not listed do not have to be trained oir socialised my cuzions neibour has a labrador (which isnt on the dangerous breed list in this country, howver in some other places it is), and she never walks it, it has never been trained or socialised, it is not taken to the vets, and stayed on a short chain outside in a tiny shty patio, with no toys, all the time, and growls and barks in an extreamly agressive mannar when someone goes by.
i dread to think what would happen if the dog got loose.

*it implies other dogs are safe be exclusion, which is extreamly dangerous. I was walking with my friends akita, charlie, and this women and 3 five year old kids and a yorkie came out of the shop, and they spoted charlie, and the mother shouted "oh look a teddy" and activly encouarged the kids to rum up to him, and they all started, pulling on his his fur, shouting in his ears, and sticking the yorkie in his face, all without asking me, and then the mother started slapping him across the face and saying this is how you greet a big tedddy dog. Now Charlie was as soft as anything, and will put up with alot, but if he snaped who would get the blame? and who could get put down?.

* it encouages attacks, after bsl was introduced in germany many owners of the listed breeds (which in some areas, were any dogs over 40 cm / 20kg)(who were mostly responsible owners ) found themsleve reciveing death threats, being spat on, kicked, and police shooting their dogs, and even cases of dogs set on fire, ect (even in front of children).

*Criminal/iresponsib

le owners simply switch to a new breed. in the 60's the german shepard was the "hard" breed of choice, in the 70's it was the doberman,in the 80's it was the rotweiler, and today its the pitbull, but it could be your breed next (your breed might be a family breed now, but so was the pitbull not too long ago).

*if someone states your dog is of a breed listed, then they do NOT have to prove your guilty, you have to prove that you inocent, if you dont have tonnes of paperwork declaring your dogs breed its time to say bye bye doggy, which goes against the eu human rights law whcih states a person must be presumed inocent untill proven guilty not the other way round

*it treats dog attack victims unfairly, not too long ago a child had her face almost ripped open by a golden retreiver, upon learning that the dog had attacked before the mother requested the dog be put down, and another incident where molly malones face was riped of be a shih-tzu the request was denide, now would that happen if it was a listed breed? i dont think so. In 2004 in canada, the liberals went on a campaign to ban "pitbulls", during a public descution on the issue, a mother whose own daughter was killed by a bullmastiff did a speech on targeting the owners insted of the breed, one of the witnesses later sayed "I was shocked when I looked over at Liberal MPP David Zimmer during Donna’s presentation. He acted bored, fiddled with his PDA and scowled as this brave woman talked about the death of her child.
Then, when asked if he had any questions, Zimmer did not even look up, but just waved his hand.With that one dismissive gesture Zimmer waved away the value of Courtney’s short life and insights into how her death could help prevent others like it"

*many sized dogs may not have been full vacinated, and diesease can spred quickly through the kennels, not to mention the inadequete care the dogs receive, there have been report of siezed dogs getting parvo, having to be euthanized because they were so stressed, and even returning home mutilated (the longest time a dog as been kept in these kennels, who most wouldn't touch witha barge poll, was 7 years, 6 months+ is typical)

* Many child welfare charities, and animal welfare charities, ect, such as RSPCA, SSPCA, ASPCA, GB kennel club, UKC, AKC, CDC, victoria stilwell, ect strongly oppose BSL.

*Even people like ian armstrong, krys pritchard, donna trempe, deidre and shaun doherty, who have been seriously injured, or have had loved ones injured/killed by dogs, agree that BSL is not the answer

*it is etreamly difficult to say if a dogs a listed breed, the guidlines writen by defra are extreamly vague a labrador could be described as 90% pitbull. In one infamous court case in which a pedigree Staffordshire Bull Terrier was on trial, a police officer `expert' gleefully told the court that `a Kennel Club pedigree isn't worth the paper it's written on'. The court ruled that although the dog was a pedigree Staffie it was also a Pit Bull `type' dog!"The one thing that really stuck was when they asked an animal control officer to identify several dogs; he claimed they were all Pit* or Pit* crosses, Rottie or Rottie crosses. Not one was. The dogs were all champions of record and the breeds included a Boxer, a Lab, a Bullmastiff and a couple others. How reliable is this guy when deciding what dog is a Pit or not? Note: this was in a city and not some rural town. Supposedly the city employee knew his breeds."
(note: This quote was from america, and as such the term "pitbull terrier" is likley to refer to three breeds: the american pitbull terrier, the american staffordshire terrier, and the staffordshire bull terrier.)

* There have been reports of dog theives, masqurading as animal controll officers, knocking on dog owners doors, and stating there dog is a banned breed, and taking away their dog (dog theft is a serious crime, and some stolen dogs have their microchips dug out with potatoe peelers, 75% of all stolen dogs are staffies)

*Without the breeds listed under the DDA and proposed by wandsworth councill, then: anthony romaro, autum marley, justin and antateshia pickens, alyssa gould, andrea potter and gene martinez, master myers, mike henrickson, kevin cavanaugh, brainnah trewey, joan maguire, james fritz, travis rappold and amanda searle, noella mitchell, mandy holmes, gary watkins, frank and katie and cody humpries, jane ellol and barbara tollison, ann, roach, cream, john murray, chuck and rebecca thompson, and many other people, would not be here today.


*it is expensive, the "dangerous dog amnesty" ie dog cull in merseyside ALONE, cost the taxpayer£160,000

as for the non-breed specific part of the dda.

* it can only be enforced after an attack, so is not a good preventive.

* it only applies to dogs that have attacked in public, or where they should not be, or have commited "multible attacks". even though 90 % of dog bites are commited in the home, or by a familiar dog

* it only applies to dogs that have attacked humans, and although you should NEVER confuse dog-dog agression, with dog-human agression, people do not like having there dogs attacked.

BUT ON A LIGHTER SIDE OF THINGS.

I think the wandsworth dog licences are a GOOD idea, just so long as they apply to ALL breeds.

however the pricing does make me feel uncomfertable, Im sure wandsworth council are not intentionaly doing this, but £500 for a licence makes it seem like a way to line their pockets. Its like dog fighting, the sentances dog fighters and other animal abusers get are jokes, my friend had a theory that, they prosecute dog fighting, not because they felt sorry for the animals, but becuase the goverment was lossing so much money through all the gambling, I have a terrible feeling he might be right.

I think it should be as cheep as possible, otherwise, you could have one guy that can afford the licence but is only just up to scratch and would get the dog, and another guy who is 1p short of the cost but passes the test with flying colours would not get the dog, and rather the more knowledgable person got the dog, rather than the wealthiest. also if the license is expensive the owners might use the old excuse of, we havwe to compremise the animal welfare to afford the licence

* Also dog owners, must be allowed to keep their dog, while doing the test.

* Dogs should legaly be required to walk on a lesh, except in areas free from livestock / traffic.

* Dogs that are not being breed, should be required to be netured. And all dogs should be microchiped. Many councils offer free microchiping and neutering

* if a dog has attacked a person, then the owner must pay for the damages, unless they can prove that the dog was provoked. and the dog should be temperment tested imediatly, and if found to be vicous, require it to either be muzzeled, attend traing classes,

* The test should include a homevist, and should check of the person knows how to and can provide the five freedoms, and do everything to minimize attacks.

The dangerous wild animals act (1991), which lists animals that are "so wild, dangerous, or difficult to control" that they require a licence to be kept in privet. In 2007 the goverment changed the list and added some animals to the list, while taking some off. The RSPCA felt strongly against this move, stating that many people do not have knowlege of how to care for "exotic" animals.

now, i can see what they are all trying to say, but...

* a couple of years ago my friend brought a dog along to our dog show, now this dog had a greatgrandparent who was a grey wolf, and so was the purest wolfdog you could get without requiring a licence. And he did not lunge at people or try to rip there throats out, no he was well controlled, and friendly.

* my friend owns a toy tiger (toyger) which was orgiginally listed, and is a sweet natured cat, who is forever hyper.

* wolfs, are on the list but deer are not? Despite their reputation wolfs are very shy and timid when around humans, shepards in europe only need to shout at the wolves to protect their sheep from them. The first comprehensive and detailed report of attacks by wild wolves on humans in Europe, Asia and North America has now been published (Linnell et al 2002), they found that: Most fatal attacks were by rabid wolves (rabies as been extinct in britain since the 1980's), There were few fatal predatory attacks and none in North America, There were no fatalities when wolves attacked defensively. yet wolfs are on the list, but deer are not? Deer are incredably strong, and have high stamina, and are armed with hoves, horns, and sometimes even tusks, the non-human animal responsible for most fatalitities, in north america, is the white tailed deer.

* it lists the europian adder/viper, when this is naitve to the uk, and is seen in the wild.

* Large lizards like the komodo dragon and the nile montior are not listed. No don't get me wrong I have known a rescue nile monitor for many years, and he is lovely (he basks all the time), but at what point did this country decide that a 2meter long flesh eating reptile was safer than a breed of fully domesticated dog?


* It implies that owners looking for "domestic" pets do not have to research about them. One day at my old vets, a man came in with is rabbit, after carefull examination my collegue concluded that it was flystrike, and proceded to ask the man if he had clean the rabbit out durrinng the summer, his reply was "No? was i ment to do that? what is flystrike?

I think that the licence should cover all animals, but obviously have different test depending on species.