Mother of Brunel University student Ricky Reel who vanished from Kingston in 1997 claims police spied on her

Ricky Reel vanished on a night out in Kingston in 1997

Ricky Reel vanished on a night out in Kingston in 1997

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The mother of Ricky Reel, who has been campaigning for an inquest into her 20-year-old son's death in Kingston in 1997, was spied on by undercover Metropolitan Police officers, it has been claimed.

Sukhdev Reel told the BBC she was informed by an officer from Operation Herne - which is investigating undercover policing - that intelligence was gathered on her on at least five occasions, between 1998 and 1999.

She told the broadcaster she "felt sick" when she heard the news.

Ricky Reel disappeared during a night out in Kingston on October 15, 1997, shortly after he and his friends were racially abused by a group of white men.

His body was found in the River Thames a week later.

His family and supporters claim he was killed, but Kingston police has always insisted there is no evidence to support the theory.

In 1998, Kingston's then Chief Superintendent Bob Moffat criticised news stories which linked the force's handling of the case to that of murdered teenager Stephen Lawrence.

John Azah, who is chairman of the Kingston Race and Equalities Council and chairman of the Kingston Safer Neighbourhood Board, helped Mrs Reel organise a "Justice for Ricky" campaign in 1998.

He said: "If it is true that the family has been investigated for whatever reason, when all they were trying to do was find out what caused his death, that in my book is beyond the pale. 

"I continue to hold the objective view that we may perhaps never know what happened to Ricky, and I have supported our police force and tried to instill public confidence and pride in them. 

"But when you find out the police may have investigated a family naturally looking for justice, it doesn't give you much confidence."  

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12:50pm Thu 24 Jul 14

alroutemaster says...

AND? What is the problem here?
AND? What is the problem here? alroutemaster
  • Score: -12

1:04pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Happy59 says...

The problem is why are the police wasting valuable resources and our money spying on a grieving law abiding family as opposed to finding the people who may or may not have been involved in Ricky's tragic death. THAT'S the problem.
The problem is why are the police wasting valuable resources and our money spying on a grieving law abiding family as opposed to finding the people who may or may not have been involved in Ricky's tragic death. THAT'S the problem. Happy59
  • Score: 16

1:38pm Thu 24 Jul 14

bettysenior says...

It appears to me that as the police service has consolidated into ever larger organizations ,they have, like the continual consolidation of global corporate giants into more powerful entities, become increasingly more corrupt. In this we all know that power ultimately corrupts. This appears to be the same with the UK's police now and where things like this never appeared before when police forces were small but more numerous in numbers. The local bobby did his bit on his local patch and Scotland Yard were only brought in for the most serious of crimes. Now the tentacle of the law, from the powerful above, stretches into all manner of things including crimes perpetrated by themselves. This corrupting influence is a product of successive governments creating ever-larger police forces through amalgamation and where it appears that government have lost the plot and control over a police services that was once revered throughout the world. But not anymore unfortunately. Although the Lawrence case and the Hillsborough case were a while ago I believe that this corrosive mechanism of consolidation was in part the reason why these cases have produced so many sickening police skeletons in the closet. My advice is to reverse this consolidation process and get back to basic policing within areas throughout the UK without interference from ever-more powerful institutions (exactly what consolidated police service has become).

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It appears to me that as the police service has consolidated into ever larger organizations ,they have, like the continual consolidation of global corporate giants into more powerful entities, become increasingly more corrupt. In this we all know that power ultimately corrupts. This appears to be the same with the UK's police now and where things like this never appeared before when police forces were small but more numerous in numbers. The local bobby did his bit on his local patch and Scotland Yard were only brought in for the most serious of crimes. Now the tentacle of the law, from the powerful above, stretches into all manner of things including crimes perpetrated by themselves. This corrupting influence is a product of successive governments creating ever-larger police forces through amalgamation and where it appears that government have lost the plot and control over a police services that was once revered throughout the world. But not anymore unfortunately. Although the Lawrence case and the Hillsborough case were a while ago I believe that this corrosive mechanism of consolidation was in part the reason why these cases have produced so many sickening police skeletons in the closet. My advice is to reverse this consolidation process and get back to basic policing within areas throughout the UK without interference from ever-more powerful institutions (exactly what consolidated police service has become). http://worldinnovati onfoundation.blogspo t.co.uk/2014/03/lawr ence-case-shows-that -justice-and.html http://worldinnovati onfoundation.blogspo t.co.uk/2013/12/the- police-hillsborough- and-masonic.html http://worldinnovati onfoundation.blogspo t.co.uk/2013/12/hypo cracy-of-government- and-police-know.html My advice is to reverse this consolidation process and get back to basic policing within areas throughout the UK without interference from ever-more powerful institutions (exactly what consolidated police service has become). Dr David Hill CEO World Innovation Foundation bettysenior
  • Score: 2

3:07pm Thu 24 Jul 14

alroutemaster says...

There is NO problem here at all. Every time a non white person disappears or,unfortunately, gets murdered, the black/minority community demand an enquiry after an enquiry after an investigation. Get over it, move on, most of us have to, why should these minority interests get special treatment.
There is NO problem here at all. Every time a non white person disappears or,unfortunately, gets murdered, the black/minority community demand an enquiry after an enquiry after an investigation. Get over it, move on, most of us have to, why should these minority interests get special treatment. alroutemaster
  • Score: -10

4:03pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Happy59 says...

Personally I don't think you ever get over the untimely death of a child. Surely there should be an indepth investigation in to any unexplained/violent death. My point is why were the police using valuable resources investigating and spying on innocent members of the community instead of finding the criminals who commit the crimes. Easier I guess, they know where the bereaved families are!
Personally I don't think you ever get over the untimely death of a child. Surely there should be an indepth investigation in to any unexplained/violent death. My point is why were the police using valuable resources investigating and spying on innocent members of the community instead of finding the criminals who commit the crimes. Easier I guess, they know where the bereaved families are! Happy59
  • Score: 16

4:26pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Tony from Surbiton says...

I can understand the family being upset, but the police are just doing their job. I can understand that if your cild has died in unexplained circumstances, you would want answers as soon as possible. You certainly wouldn't want the police wasting their time spying on the family, when they could be doing more productive things.

However, (and without making any suggestions relating to this particular death) often attacks, rapes, murders are carried out by the family or close family friend - so the police do need to think this is a possibility in every crime/death scene they attend. It's a horrible thought, and it must be horrible to think that others believe that you could be involved in such things (I've no knowledge if that's what was happening here) - but that is the unfortunate world the police need to work in. Let them get on with their work.
I can understand the family being upset, but the police are just doing their job. I can understand that if your cild has died in unexplained circumstances, you would want answers as soon as possible. You certainly wouldn't want the police wasting their time spying on the family, when they could be doing more productive things. However, (and without making any suggestions relating to this particular death) often attacks, rapes, murders are carried out by the family or close family friend - so the police do need to think this is a possibility in every crime/death scene they attend. It's a horrible thought, and it must be horrible to think that others believe that you could be involved in such things (I've no knowledge if that's what was happening here) - but that is the unfortunate world the police need to work in. Let them get on with their work. Tony from Surbiton
  • Score: -7

4:40pm Thu 24 Jul 14

alroutemaster says...

WHATEVER, this could turn into another St. Ephen Lawrence. Someone looking to get into the House of Lords?
WHATEVER, this could turn into another St. Ephen Lawrence. Someone looking to get into the House of Lords? alroutemaster
  • Score: -10

6:45pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Tony from Surbiton says...

And by the way, clicking 'thumbs down' on other comments seven times doesn't necessarily make you correct, just means that you have nothing better to do with your life than fiddle the figures on a local website.
And by the way, clicking 'thumbs down' on other comments seven times doesn't necessarily make you correct, just means that you have nothing better to do with your life than fiddle the figures on a local website. Tony from Surbiton
  • Score: -7

2:42pm Fri 25 Jul 14

edstar says...

alroutemaster wrote:
WHATEVER, this could turn into another St. Ephen Lawrence. Someone looking to get into the House of Lords?
You really are a disgusting cretin. I think these people are looking for justice for their murdered relatives.

Now take that chip off your shoulder and try to do something worthwhile with your pointless life.
[quote][p][bold]alroutemaster[/bold] wrote: WHATEVER, this could turn into another St. Ephen Lawrence. Someone looking to get into the House of Lords?[/p][/quote]You really are a disgusting cretin. I think these people are looking for justice for their murdered relatives. Now take that chip off your shoulder and try to do something worthwhile with your pointless life. edstar
  • Score: 2

4:55pm Fri 25 Jul 14

alroutemaster says...

Edstar: There is, and never was, any evidence that the bloke in the river was murdered. Just because someone called him a name does not mean they murdered him. Lots of people have got pi**ed and fallen in the river. The point I am making is that due to his racial origin there is always going to be this stage-managed campaign alleging racism. If he had been a white kid nobody would have questioned the outcome.
Edstar: There is, and never was, any evidence that the bloke in the river was murdered. Just because someone called him a name does not mean they murdered him. Lots of people have got pi**ed and fallen in the river. The point I am making is that due to his racial origin there is always going to be this stage-managed campaign alleging racism. If he had been a white kid nobody would have questioned the outcome. alroutemaster
  • Score: -3

10:43am Wed 30 Jul 14

edstar says...

alroutemaster wrote:
Edstar: There is, and never was, any evidence that the bloke in the river was murdered. Just because someone called him a name does not mean they murdered him. Lots of people have got pi**ed and fallen in the river. The point I am making is that due to his racial origin there is always going to be this stage-managed campaign alleging racism. If he had been a white kid nobody would have questioned the outcome.
You missed the main point which is why were the police investigating the family.
[quote][p][bold]alroutemaster[/bold] wrote: Edstar: There is, and never was, any evidence that the bloke in the river was murdered. Just because someone called him a name does not mean they murdered him. Lots of people have got pi**ed and fallen in the river. The point I am making is that due to his racial origin there is always going to be this stage-managed campaign alleging racism. If he had been a white kid nobody would have questioned the outcome.[/p][/quote]You missed the main point which is why were the police investigating the family. edstar
  • Score: 0

4:31pm Wed 30 Jul 14

alroutemaster says...

edstar wrote:
alroutemaster wrote:
Edstar: There is, and never was, any evidence that the bloke in the river was murdered. Just because someone called him a name does not mean they murdered him. Lots of people have got pi**ed and fallen in the river. The point I am making is that due to his racial origin there is always going to be this stage-managed campaign alleging racism. If he had been a white kid nobody would have questioned the outcome.
You missed the main point which is why were the police investigating the family.
They always check out these type of people as they may be political agitators or (as in the Stephen Lawrence case) worse.......
[quote][p][bold]edstar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alroutemaster[/bold] wrote: Edstar: There is, and never was, any evidence that the bloke in the river was murdered. Just because someone called him a name does not mean they murdered him. Lots of people have got pi**ed and fallen in the river. The point I am making is that due to his racial origin there is always going to be this stage-managed campaign alleging racism. If he had been a white kid nobody would have questioned the outcome.[/p][/quote]You missed the main point which is why were the police investigating the family.[/p][/quote]They always check out these type of people as they may be political agitators or (as in the Stephen Lawrence case) worse....... alroutemaster
  • Score: 0

5:34pm Wed 30 Jul 14

edstar says...

alroutemaster wrote:
edstar wrote:
alroutemaster wrote:
Edstar: There is, and never was, any evidence that the bloke in the river was murdered. Just because someone called him a name does not mean they murdered him. Lots of people have got pi**ed and fallen in the river. The point I am making is that due to his racial origin there is always going to be this stage-managed campaign alleging racism. If he had been a white kid nobody would have questioned the outcome.
You missed the main point which is why were the police investigating the family.
They always check out these type of people as they may be political agitators or (as in the Stephen Lawrence case) worse.......
What??? so Stephen Lawrences family are "worse" than political agitators because they wanted justice after the police mishandled his murder case as he was black? You really have some chip on your shoulder.

As you use to work for the police, let me ask you this, would these families have been investigated if they were white?
[quote][p][bold]alroutemaster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]edstar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alroutemaster[/bold] wrote: Edstar: There is, and never was, any evidence that the bloke in the river was murdered. Just because someone called him a name does not mean they murdered him. Lots of people have got pi**ed and fallen in the river. The point I am making is that due to his racial origin there is always going to be this stage-managed campaign alleging racism. If he had been a white kid nobody would have questioned the outcome.[/p][/quote]You missed the main point which is why were the police investigating the family.[/p][/quote]They always check out these type of people as they may be political agitators or (as in the Stephen Lawrence case) worse.......[/p][/quote]What??? so Stephen Lawrences family are "worse" than political agitators because they wanted justice after the police mishandled his murder case as he was black? You really have some chip on your shoulder. As you use to work for the police, let me ask you this, would these families have been investigated if they were white? edstar
  • Score: 0

7:43pm Wed 30 Jul 14

alroutemaster says...

edstar wrote:
alroutemaster wrote:
edstar wrote:
alroutemaster wrote:
Edstar: There is, and never was, any evidence that the bloke in the river was murdered. Just because someone called him a name does not mean they murdered him. Lots of people have got pi**ed and fallen in the river. The point I am making is that due to his racial origin there is always going to be this stage-managed campaign alleging racism. If he had been a white kid nobody would have questioned the outcome.
You missed the main point which is why were the police investigating the family.
They always check out these type of people as they may be political agitators or (as in the Stephen Lawrence case) worse.......
What??? so Stephen Lawrences family are "worse" than political agitators because they wanted justice after the police mishandled his murder case as he was black? You really have some chip on your shoulder.

As you use to work for the police, let me ask you this, would these families have been investigated if they were white?
Edstar: The short answer to your question is that the police do check any family in an investigation, whatever their background. I am however very impressed that it took you so long to introduce the race card into the argument. However it has to be said that as certain races shout the loudest, it is always them who get the media attention. I personally know a number of people who have been investigated by police for their activities (actually concerning animal rights) and they are all white......
[quote][p][bold]edstar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alroutemaster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]edstar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alroutemaster[/bold] wrote: Edstar: There is, and never was, any evidence that the bloke in the river was murdered. Just because someone called him a name does not mean they murdered him. Lots of people have got pi**ed and fallen in the river. The point I am making is that due to his racial origin there is always going to be this stage-managed campaign alleging racism. If he had been a white kid nobody would have questioned the outcome.[/p][/quote]You missed the main point which is why were the police investigating the family.[/p][/quote]They always check out these type of people as they may be political agitators or (as in the Stephen Lawrence case) worse.......[/p][/quote]What??? so Stephen Lawrences family are "worse" than political agitators because they wanted justice after the police mishandled his murder case as he was black? You really have some chip on your shoulder. As you use to work for the police, let me ask you this, would these families have been investigated if they were white?[/p][/quote]Edstar: The short answer to your question is that the police do check any family in an investigation, whatever their background. I am however very impressed that it took you so long to introduce the race card into the argument. However it has to be said that as certain races shout the loudest, it is always them who get the media attention. I personally know a number of people who have been investigated by police for their activities (actually concerning animal rights) and they are all white...... alroutemaster
  • Score: 1

1:31pm Thu 31 Jul 14

edstar says...

alroutemaster wrote:
edstar wrote:
alroutemaster wrote:
edstar wrote:
alroutemaster wrote:
Edstar: There is, and never was, any evidence that the bloke in the river was murdered. Just because someone called him a name does not mean they murdered him. Lots of people have got pi**ed and fallen in the river. The point I am making is that due to his racial origin there is always going to be this stage-managed campaign alleging racism. If he had been a white kid nobody would have questioned the outcome.
You missed the main point which is why were the police investigating the family.
They always check out these type of people as they may be political agitators or (as in the Stephen Lawrence case) worse.......
What??? so Stephen Lawrences family are "worse" than political agitators because they wanted justice after the police mishandled his murder case as he was black? You really have some chip on your shoulder.

As you use to work for the police, let me ask you this, would these families have been investigated if they were white?
Edstar: The short answer to your question is that the police do check any family in an investigation, whatever their background. I am however very impressed that it took you so long to introduce the race card into the argument. However it has to be said that as certain races shout the loudest, it is always them who get the media attention. I personally know a number of people who have been investigated by police for their activities (actually concerning animal rights) and they are all white......
I am impressed that you failed to notice that you introduced the race card much earlier on. But i suspect that the chip on your shoulder stops you from seeing it or maybe its the the police training you had during the years of institutional racism.
[quote][p][bold]alroutemaster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]edstar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alroutemaster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]edstar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alroutemaster[/bold] wrote: Edstar: There is, and never was, any evidence that the bloke in the river was murdered. Just because someone called him a name does not mean they murdered him. Lots of people have got pi**ed and fallen in the river. The point I am making is that due to his racial origin there is always going to be this stage-managed campaign alleging racism. If he had been a white kid nobody would have questioned the outcome.[/p][/quote]You missed the main point which is why were the police investigating the family.[/p][/quote]They always check out these type of people as they may be political agitators or (as in the Stephen Lawrence case) worse.......[/p][/quote]What??? so Stephen Lawrences family are "worse" than political agitators because they wanted justice after the police mishandled his murder case as he was black? You really have some chip on your shoulder. As you use to work for the police, let me ask you this, would these families have been investigated if they were white?[/p][/quote]Edstar: The short answer to your question is that the police do check any family in an investigation, whatever their background. I am however very impressed that it took you so long to introduce the race card into the argument. However it has to be said that as certain races shout the loudest, it is always them who get the media attention. I personally know a number of people who have been investigated by police for their activities (actually concerning animal rights) and they are all white......[/p][/quote]I am impressed that you failed to notice that you introduced the race card much earlier on. But i suspect that the chip on your shoulder stops you from seeing it or maybe its the the police training you had during the years of institutional racism. edstar
  • Score: -1

3:16pm Thu 31 Jul 14

alroutemaster says...

Edstar: Years of "multicultural" awareness courses and similar PC crap made me what I am today. And lets not forget either that the killers of SL were convicted using evidence from concealed cameras and microphones. My main gripe in the SL case is that you'd think he was the only teenager in London history to get murdered, when the fact is that they are being killed daily, mostly by their own kind, using concealed weapons that the police could find and remove,but SL's mummy got stop and search halted because it was "racist".
Edstar: Years of "multicultural" awareness courses and similar PC crap made me what I am today. And lets not forget either that the killers of SL were convicted using evidence from concealed cameras and microphones. My main gripe in the SL case is that you'd think he was the only teenager in London history to get murdered, when the fact is that they are being killed daily, mostly by their own kind, using concealed weapons that the police could find and remove,but SL's mummy got stop and search halted because it was "racist". alroutemaster
  • Score: 1

8:35pm Sat 9 Aug 14

tfeaver says...

I watched a program last night and it really upset me. And feel for the family i know it was a long time ago ...but ..A young man was murdered and apparently this was not a racist attack.I think it was for sure...and regardless of that ricky was murdered and the vicious killers are probably married with kids of their own. in there late 30s and have got a way with murder. Well why should the family not want justice.the police have done nothing from what I can tell..not high profile news!!! ignored the cctv of the black bmw with the door and boot open...why would he go near water if he had a phobia with water.... seriously if this was your child you would not stop until justice was done.. I believe in ...KARMA.. what goes around comes around and all will be dealt with accordingly R.I.P .... RICKY REEL
I watched a program last night and it really upset me. And feel for the family i know it was a long time ago ...but ..A young man was murdered and apparently this was not a racist attack.I think it was for sure...and regardless of that ricky was murdered and the vicious killers are probably married with kids of their own. in there late 30s and have got a way with murder. Well why should the family not want justice.the police have done nothing from what I can tell..not high profile news!!! ignored the cctv of the black bmw with the door and boot open...why would he go near water if he had a phobia with water.... seriously if this was your child you would not stop until justice was done.. I believe in ...KARMA.. what goes around comes around and all will be dealt with accordingly R.I.P .... RICKY REEL tfeaver
  • Score: -1

8:38pm Sat 9 Aug 14

tfeaver says...

Tony from Surbiton wrote:
I can understand the family being upset, but the police are just doing their job. I can understand that if your cild has died in unexplained circumstances, you would want answers as soon as possible. You certainly wouldn't want the police wasting their time spying on the family, when they could be doing more productive things.

However, (and without making any suggestions relating to this particular death) often attacks, rapes, murders are carried out by the family or close family friend - so the police do need to think this is a possibility in every crime/death scene they attend. It's a horrible thought, and it must be horrible to think that others believe that you could be involved in such things (I've no knowledge if that's what was happening here) - but that is the unfortunate world the police need to work in. Let them get on with their work.
You are such a lowlife shame on u
[quote][p][bold]Tony from Surbiton[/bold] wrote: I can understand the family being upset, but the police are just doing their job. I can understand that if your cild has died in unexplained circumstances, you would want answers as soon as possible. You certainly wouldn't want the police wasting their time spying on the family, when they could be doing more productive things. However, (and without making any suggestions relating to this particular death) often attacks, rapes, murders are carried out by the family or close family friend - so the police do need to think this is a possibility in every crime/death scene they attend. It's a horrible thought, and it must be horrible to think that others believe that you could be involved in such things (I've no knowledge if that's what was happening here) - but that is the unfortunate world the police need to work in. Let them get on with their work.[/p][/quote]You are such a lowlife shame on u tfeaver
  • Score: -1

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